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  • Mountain Preacher on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    In verse 4 it almost sounds as if Paul is saying for us to bear with someone who preaches and different gospel than that of Jesus Christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    Mountain Preacher,

    If I can piggyback a little more off Chris, it sounds like Paul was being sarcastic when he said "ye might well bear with him." It starts out saying, for if he that cometh preaches another Jesus. The word another is ALLOS which means another of the same kind. For if he that comes preaches another Jesus of the same kind, whom we have not preached, or you receive another spirit, and this is HETEROS which means of a different kind.

    If you receive another spirit of a different kind, which you have not received, or received another gospel, again HETEROS, meaning a different gospel, which you have not accepted, "you might well bear up with him." Paul is being sarcastic here!

    They'll tolerate a false teacher coming in and preaching to them another Jesus, presenting a different holy spirit, and a different gospel. But now all of a sudden because of their influence, they can't tolerate Paul anymore, and Paul fathered them in the gospel.

    Paul's pointing that out to them. It's interesting that people can preach Jesus, talk about the Holy Spirit, preach a gospel from out of the bible, and all three can be wrong. Later, Paul presents to us that Satan himself appears as an angel of light. He's the most religious being around and his work is scary!

    I don't mean that in a sense that we should be afraid of Christian fellowship. But we don't fear the great deception that Satan can pull, and he's not just working outside of the church, but also inside! There's more than one Jesus being preached. But there is only one Jesus of the bible. Also, there's a different spirit that ministers a different Jesus to people, and a different gospel. So that means a person can have a bible, have a spiritual ministry behind it, be ministering about Jesus, and all three can be wrong!

    Paul says that people come in and bring a false Jesus, a false spirit, and a false gospel, and you tolerate them. All I'm asking is that you tolerate me here for a few minutes!
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    Amen Jesse, I suppose that's why the scripture says you know them by their fruit.

    It seems no matter where you go you run into some that seems to be be well versed in scripture but fruitless! and seems to separate themselves or worldly and sensual.

    Jude 1:18-19. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    Paul gave warnings of this in Acts.

    Acts 20:29-30. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

    Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

    Even Paul presented the Gospel in away to protect from this.

    1 Corinthians 2:1-5. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

    For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

    And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

    That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

    God bless
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    S Spencer,

    The scary part is how do we know? I mean, these people look and act sincere, so it would be easy for someone who just shows up to church every week but never takes the time to search the scriptures on their own to see if what they are being taught is the truth from God's word. As far as knowing them by their fruit, it looks good to them. But it is such a blessing when the Lord gives us a spirit of discernment to where we can recognize when it's time to "get out of dodge!"
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    Spiritual discernment!!

    Seeing the wolf but Knowing the Shepherd voice.

    You know sometimes it's not just some deceiving others,

    As you mentioned on a separate thread,

    There is what we mistake to be the Holyspirit but our fleshly emotions gets us off track as well, It seems sometimes these emotions is drawn to another spirit, We get in trouble when we thrive for some presence or experience and get drawn in by the flesh by some super prayer or message.

    But when you try the spirit you should be able to see Love instead of Apathy. Humility with Meekness instead of Pride, There should be some degree of longsuffering, forgiveness, ect.. and separation from worldliness.

    We should examine ourselves likewise in this way,

    We know the Holyspirit spirit causes us to Agape one another, that special connection is not with everybody.

    As Jude said some has crept in from unawares.

    This is where fruit is all important.

    Now the problem is if by chance you are deceived or perhaps this other person you seem to view as an Apostate or deceived.

    "one of you is a true believer and the other is not",

    WE NEED TO BE SURE WE'RE NOT THE ONE ON THE OUTSIDE!!

    Do we really Agape " totally given over to" the brethren?.

    EXAMINE OURSELVES.

    I don't think loving to minister is the same thing, Some love the praises.

    DO YOU TRULY LOVE ( THE BRETHREN ).



    One more thing,

    You notice the Lord didn't say you know them by their gifts?

    Examine ourselves as well as others by what's given to us. "Fruit"

    We should humble ourselves and shine our light on who it was intended for.

    The Lord Jesus Christ.

    God bless.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    Amen and Amen Brother Jesse!
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 2 years ago
    You're correct, it does sound like that, if it were not for verse 3. Paul was relating the "beguiling" of Eve to the Corinthians; that he feared that as Eve was tempted & convinced by Satan's fair speeches, so to the Corinthians might also be found in such a sad state if a preacher came into their midst preaching another Gospel or imparting another spirit. They were continually warned about this & encouraged to cleave to the true Gospel & teachings from the Word that Paul had lovingly shared with them.



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