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  • TOMMY HILL on Matthew 9 - 2 years ago
    The question I have is as follows:

    Where in the bible can I find about death specifically....When we die do we wait in sleep until the world ends and then we are brought before God for judgement? or when we die do we have judgement and join god immediately after death? Reason for question is many say after a love one has passed, that he/she if with the Lord our God and looking down upon us now.

    Respectfully Submitted,

    Tommy Hill
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 9 - 2 years ago
    Hello Tommy,

    I believe in the first option you mentioned, because of the most Biblical support:

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52 - These first two are clearly stated and would be hard to misinterpret, in my opinion.. Those who die are sleeping awaiting Jesus's return and judgment. But it says not all will sleep, some will be alive and meet Jesus immediately in the air.

    Daniel 12:2

    1 Thessalonians 5:9-10

    Those who believe we go immediately to heaven rely on 2 key verses which in my opinion are misinterpreted.

    1. "away from the body with the lord" - based on 2 Corinthians 5:8 and a commonly repeated phrase, but is fake news, because the Bible doesn't say that. Paul said he would "RATHER" be away from his body and with the Lord. It doesn't say in 100% of all cases and 100% of all scenarios 100% of the time if you die you are 100% of the time IMMEDIATELY with the Lord, regardless of anything and everything. It doesn't even come remotely close to saying that, but yet, that's the belief repeated perhaps because it gives people comfort, especially at funerals.

    2. The other verse commonly cited as 'proof' of this belief is Jesus on the cross saying on this day you will be with me in paradise. Here's what Jesus didn't say- he didn't say you and 100% of all other people, 100% of the time, in any and all cases, regardless, will INSTANTLY be with me in heaven, and not even face judgment, despite me already saying all will be judged. Jesus didn't say that. God can do whatever He wants and make special exceptions for whomever He wants. It doesn't automatically mean every single action is a template rule for all of humanity. That would be a gross overinterpretation. Also... Jesus didn't say he would go to heaven with him. He said paradise, which may be different. It could be a waiting place where the dead sleep before Jesus returns and before judgment day. Something to think about.



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