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  • Tony on Genesis 32:30
    Gen 32:30, please elaborate the best possible meaning. Face to face could be another word for meeting, not a literal meaning that Jacob actually saw God's face. Right? If he saw God's face then it contradicts other scriptures that says no man sees God otherwise will surely die.
  • What Jacob means to the whole World - in Reply on Genesis 32:30
    I was taught that Jacobs name had the meaning of deceiver attached to it, over the birthright issue with his brother.

    Jacob wrestled with the angel of the Lord.

    This is the incident where Jacobs name was changed to ISRAEL. He was the forefather of modern day Israel. The Covenant of blessing and THE LAND (deed), passed upon all descendants of Abrahams descendants born to ABRAHAM and HIS wife, SARAH.

    Ishmael who was born to Abraham and Hagar, was blessed separately by God and given power and wealth, even to Present day, Palestinian nations and people's. This is all recorded in Genesis 16:11, 17:20, 21:18.

    In these end of days, there is argument over the land of Israel still. No matter how the politicians try to separate Israel from the land; the covenant God initiated, will stand.

    Israel is only about 7/2 miles wide, yet the entire world covets the Land God gave to Israel by a Covenant with Abraham. As I was taught, Ishmael was born through the permissive Will of God. He allowed it, but His Covenant was enacted with Abraham and his wife, Sarah. The children born to Israel are their mothers religion.

    Hagar moved away and provided Ishmael an Egyptian wife. Princes, kingdoms and wealth was given to Ishmael and his descendants. Modern day Palestinians. The whole world will suffer and witness this 6000 yr old struggle for the land of Israel.

    Modern day: every super power on earth will attempt to force Israel to give up their land "for peace", which is a lie of the devil.

    If we had desired peace in the United States, why then did we vote "party", instead of protecting the fragile peace in Jerusalem? Vote With Gods known will? Satan will blind their minds.

    Those who bless Israel will be blessed by God.

    Get ready because we're all going to have to suffer for our acts. Try hard to understand covenants and the prophesies at work here? Don't be an ostrich (book of Job).

  • Lauren - in Reply on Genesis 32:30
    I had a conversion experience in my early 20's while living and practicing in a Zen Buddhist

    monastery it will remain forever etched in my mind and heart. I was saying a Buddhist mantra

    (in Korean), and sitting full lotus style, surrounded by gray robed Buddhist monks. In my heart I was very desperately

    wanting to know God, I was quite broken internally, and I did not know God, I called it "enlightenment." One morning early I had a sudden, profoundly moving vision of Jesus' face on the Cross, and a feeling of such immense joy and recognition, I was changed forever. I saw that face and said, "Lord!" an I had never said that word in all my life.

    It was the beginning of my Christian walk. I saw His face. By God's unspeakable mercy, and for HIs glory, this face had a profound effect on my spirit that will never be erased..... I know we all come to Him differently, but this was my experience. So I love that scripture.


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