Bible Discussion Thread

part 1

Matthew 21:44.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

There must be conviction before conversion, I believe that's why the law "Ministry of death" ( 2 Cor. 3:7-10.)

came before the gospel. It was meant to show us the weakness of the flesh. "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

Christianity was attacked in the beginning of the church from within as we see today.

In Acts 20:28-30. Paul warns Ephesus, Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Jude also warns us. "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

These warnings of what would come into the church (Leaven and tares). You see the tares Matthew 13:24-30.

We often try to pluck up the tares but Jesus instruct otherwise in verses 28-29: He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

See part 2. Eyes to open ears to hear.

GOD Bless.

Verses to consider when debating a viewpoint. whether it does any good to a non believer or deceived believer or perhaps a minister of satan.

1 corinthians 2:7-14. but we speak the wisdom of god in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which god ordained before the world unto our glory:

which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the lord of glory.

but as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which god hath prepared for them that love him.

but god hath revealed them unto us by his spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of god.

for what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of god knoweth no man, but the spirit of god.

(""now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of god; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of god."")

which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, ""but which the holy ghost teacheth;"" comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

( but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of god: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned ).

now sure if a person is truly saved the light of scripture will reveal certain fundamentals of the faith,

but when he's in his natural state or as the natural man you might want to set aside viewpoints and consider giving him the gospel to see where is he at with his salvation doctrine and see what's hindering his spiritual growth.

ask questions, he should be glad to tell you the hope that is within him.

and if his un regenerated heart is not deceiving him, he will certainly believe in certain fundamentals such as saved by grace alone, the virgin birth and the deity of jesus christ. ect..

the gospel that saves should be our first priority.

god bless.

Part 2

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

You can't use reasoning to present the Gospel. You may be able to use reasoning to present the ministry of condemnation by Presenting the 10 Commandments to show a person he's come short, but when you lay out the details of the gospel that's where you get resistant in so many ways.

1) "A loving God will send no one to Hell".

2) "They'll find problems with the finish work of the cross by adding to it".

3) They'll find problems with the resurrection,

4) And some don't have faith in salvation being a gift and you're saved by works.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:18.

Jesus says in John 16:12-14.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Today we have many beliefs but ONE Truth! The holy spirit reveals that truth.

Instead of studying scripture to grow in truth, we "search" scripture to hold a view.

If we have the truth, it's because it was given to you by the spirit of truth which Jesus spoke of in John 16:13.

once you were saved, so you can't expect others to hold that truth without conversion.

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Until next time

GOD BLESS.

Part 5. New birth.

Romans 6:4-18.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

"Likewise ( RECKON ) ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

HERE THE WORD RECKON CAN BE TRANSLATED RECOGNIZE.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Here I leave off at verse 18 for today, I will pick up verses 19-23 on through Romans 7 on a later date.

The struggle and victory over sin in the new birth.

until then God bless.

Matthew 20:28. Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

JESUS COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND SHARE THE GOSPEL, AND THEY DID!

IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DIE FOR.

Today it is the least interesting topic of scripture.

John 3:14-16. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 16:30-31. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

John 12:24 . Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.



John 10:1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Let us not treat the gospel like a history book,

And Let's understand the necessity of it.

God bless

Part 4. WHY THE LAW.

We often like to look at salvation as our sins forgiven, and rightfully so. But it may be better understood and appreciated if we look at it as our sins being payed for by the shed blood on the cross. "The sacrificial lamb" life for life!

THE GIFT OF LIFE IS FREE BECAUSE THE DEBT WAS PAID WITH THE CRUCIFIXION OF OUR LORD.

Galatians 3:19-29. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Now how do live our life?

ROM 6.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Part 3.

Note: This discussion is open for improvement as I am no scholar.

Just because one is dogmatic about a view, it does not make him right.

Just rightly trying to divide the word.

Mathew 5:13-18.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Part of the law was the ceremonial law and Jesus was the sacrifice for the sins of the world,

But he had to keep the law to be declared that perfect lamb that take away the sins of the world.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal. 3:13.

By this he was able to make over to us "his righteousness".

Colossians 2:13-19.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

""( And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.)""

So why the law?

see part 4.

The false prophets are gone out into the world , and the world hears them . But they cannot hear the spirit of truth because they did not get it from the start .

The old saying of the blind leading the blind .

Hi Gordy

The world prefers darkness and resists truth.

John 1:9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 3:19-21 (KJV) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

I believe both sides of salvation is equally important, The law shows we're in dying need of a savior and Christ came to fulfill that need.

I believe we need to seriously turn our focus on Christ work on the cross.

And the true pathway to salvation.

Deception is Satans strategy,

Why do we debate about topics and try to argue it by reasoning when you may be talking to someone who's spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 2:27.

1 Corinthians 3:6 . I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

Our problem seems to be planting and watering, ( Preaching and teaching the gospel ).

We have seeds to sow, The Holyspirit will do his part.

Salvation is all important.

God bless.