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  • Brent on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Amen. John is one of the two witnesses.
  • Judge Martin - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Brent,

    The two witnesses are the one hundred forty four thousand sealed from BOTH houses of Israel. They are briefly mentioned, clocked, hidden, and allegorized throughout the Bible, and showcased in Revelation:

    Revelation 5

    Revelation 7

    Revelation 11

    Revelation 12

    Revelation 14

    The two witnesses (one hundred forty four thousand) are the only representatives of God who are sealed for 42 months. They are the woman of Revelation 12, etc. Now that you know, double check it for reproof.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Brother Brent, may CHRIST IN US grace us with His wisdom and His understanding

    From Genesis to Malachi we see all the prophecies of the coming CHRIST; the law and prophets are the two witnesses to this event. Daniel 12:11-12 foretell of the forty two month ministry of Christ; forty five days latter Pentecost.

    Revelation 10 is telling John that when he leaves his body of flesh and is become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST he will again prophecy to the nation having BECOME a Priest to HIS GOD.
  • Judge Martin - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Earl,

    John has no need to prophesy after leaving his body of flesh, which occurs at the seventh trumpet for the elect, when God's mystery is over. It is the resurrected one hundred forty thousand standing on Mount Zion with Jesus Messiah ( Revelation 14:1).

    It is the one hundred forty four thousand who are tasked in prophesying between the sixth and seventh trumpets. Jesus Christ received a 42 month ministry, and so do the elect ( Revelation 7).
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Brother Judge, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had open the SIXTH SEAL, and , lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood;

    This was fulfilled at CHRIST death and resurrection. This prophecy is in:

    Joel 2:3 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD COME.

    The one hundred forty four thousand in Revelation 7 are the Old Testament saints that were raised with Christ at his resurrection.

    Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints WHICH SLEPT AROSE,

    Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the HOLY CITY (New Jerusalem) and appeared to many.

    These Old Testament saints all died in FAITH; but, was never able to receive the promise of eternal life until Christ resurrection. This is shown in:

    Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise (eternal life).

    Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some BETTER THING FOR US (eternal life), that THEY without US should not BE MADE PERFECT (accomplished by the death and resurrection of Christ).

    YES, thy along with John and all other saints now IN CHRIST are MINISTERING SPIRITS; to us, HERE and NOW.

    Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, SENT FORTH to minister FOR THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION.

    This is the role of ALL IN CHRIST at the time they are GLORIFIED.
  • Judge Martin - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Earl,

    We are never going to see eye to eye if we both use the same scriptures to interpret different meaning.

    The 5-6-7 trumpet scriptures I use are in conjunction with prophetic end-time events, not the idle past. You are reaching too far back for the scriptures to be helpfully relevant to our time. Saying the OT saints were raised up to fill the shoes of the sealed tribes defies logic. How can the one hundred forty four thousand possibly be OT saints when the firstfruits resurrection isn't for another 42 months, when antichrist is defeated at the seventh trumpet? If this were the case, the OT saints would have to die twice, and be resurrected twice.

    The one hundred forty four thousand are extraordinary people that live amongst us.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Brother Judge, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT the prophecy of this BOOK: for the TIME IS AT HAND.

    These words were written 2000 years and THE ANGEL said; the time is at hand, to me that means NOW, not 2000 or more years down the road. Otherwise; the book would have been seal to a latter date as in Daniel's time.

    The BOOK is the REVELATION OF JESUS; everything that happened to him and all that was accomplished by HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.

    HIS WORKS that has set us FREE by becoming one with him.
  • Brent - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Are we brethren, sir? If so, can you tell me the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? Unto what were you baptized? Have you received the Holy Ghost?



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