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If I may just ask you one question concerning keeping the "Sabbath day" holy. In several places it states:
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
The question I ask is what would you say to someone who worked on the Sabbath day to help someone else or do something good/righteous?
Thank you for your time. I would just like to know what your perspective is in not doing any work and resting as the OT clearly states for that commandment.
God Bless.
right now.
:)
That is a very good question regarding the Saturday/Sabbath, and Jesus showed us numerous times that we can perform "good work" helping, saving a persons life, healing, feeding the hungry, etc.
Luke 6:9
"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?"
Luke 6:10
"And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other."
So Jesus showed us we can do good things on the sabbath.
I believe as a Christian I should not work or try to gain for "myself" on Saturday/Sabbath. I should also not participate in any worldly activities ie: sporting events, going to movies, etc.
God is asking us to give him 1 day out of 7 to rest and give thanks. Is that to much for him to ask? I don't think so, especially if is so important to God that he says "REMEMBER TO KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH". Not something I want to handle lightly....nor God forbid - Forget!
There are millions of christians today that are comfortable forgetting the 4th Commandment - I thank God that I am not one of them.
God Bless
John 14:15 where Jesus says to obey His commandments, He didn't specify to only obey the 10 Commandments and He didn't say to only obey the greatest commandments. He didn't specify or narrow it down to which commandments, so by default, I believe it means all of them. I think this includes things spoken to us through the Holy Ghost, as it says in John 14:26...
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
James 2:10. We should strive to be obedient, while loving and forgiving ourselves too when we get off track. Ephesians 2:8.
God Bless.
I can tell you that I am very secure in my salvation. Jesus Christ has given me eternal life. He gave me Himself, and He is eternal. As long as He lives in me, I will remain saved. And he said He will NEVER leave me. I'm not being arrogant. I'm just trusting in God's saving power. I'm sorry if you're not secure in your salvation. It would be hard for me to live day by day wondering if this is going to be the day I lose my salvation. I place my full trust in Jesus Christ when it comes to salvation. I don't agree that eternal security or "Once saved, always saved" comes from Satan. I would be more inclined to believe that Satan wants us to believe we can lose our salvation. Satan is the one who accuses us and puts doubt and fear in our minds and causes us to have doubts.
I've read through Revelation and I do not see any concrete evidence of a true believer, one who loves the Lord and keeps His commandments, losing their salvation. Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my commandments. That is not a challenge for us to try and keep them. He's giving us a factual statement. YOU WILL keep them. Why? Because His Spirit dwells within and causes that person to keep His commandments.
I'm also sorry to hear that you have been taught not to read the Old Testament. No one has ever taught me that. If you feel you might lose your salvation, I would start looking for verses that show you that you have eternal security in Christ Jesus. That's my hope for all who have doubts about their salvation, that they may find comfort in the one who has saved them, the one who has promised to never leave them, and the one who is keeping them until the day He comes back to redeem them!
I was wanting to answer your question, "If God, Himself, told us that there is no New Thing under the Sun, why do we have a New Testament?"
Good question.
I would suggest you ask God that question since he himself prophesied through his prophet Jeremiah that he would set up a New Covenant (or Testament).
Jeremiah 31:31-32 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant (testament) with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant (testament) that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant (testament) THEY BRAKE, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Notice why God sets up the New Covenant. It says they brake (in modern English, broke) the Mosaic law covenant or testament. Thus, when a contract is broken, you have to set up a new one.
Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."
Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."
God is God. He does what he wants. We can be sure that whatever he does is just and perfect.
I welcome your comments.
Good day.
Thank you for your comments. I was wanting to respond specifically to your comment, "I guess they think Christ died on the cross so we can be Lawless."
No, I do not believe that Jesus died for me so that I could be lawless. I do want to obey God's Laws. However, what has God commanded me to do? Would you suggest that I be circumcised so as to keep God's Law recorded at Leviticus 12:3? Why would I do that when the Apostles decided in Acts 15 that I need not be circumcised in order to serve God.
So, what do I obey. As a Christian, I obey the instructions that the Apostles gave to the first-century Church in the epistles from Romans to Revelation. They never tell me to keep the Sabbath or be circumcised or keep the festivals of Israel. In fact, they tell me the opposite:
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
Galatians 4:10 "Ye observe days (sabbaths), and months (lunar month), and times (festivals), and years (sabbatical). I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."
I obey the New Testament made between God and the Church of God via the mediator Jesus Christ since I am a Christian. I do not obey the Old Testament made between God and ancient Israel via the mediator Moses. I am not an Israelite.
Please see Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:7-13.
Notice that the Bible is separated into 2 portions - the Old Testament and the New Testament. Jesus inaugurated the New Testament with his shed blood. See Luke 22:20. These are the laws that I obey - God's laws for Christians in the New Testament.
I kindly invite your comments.
Good day.
I totally understand your prospective, but lets think for a min. Did Paul and the other
Apostles contradict what Christ himself came to tell us? Christ said: ( Matthew 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. So I ask you, has the Heaven and Earth passed away? not at all. So, Here is Christ, himself telling you that the Law is not fulfilled or the Prophets. He also told us to keep his commandments, am I right?
( John 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Here is Christ giving you a definition of what the Love of the Father is, it's keeping his commandments.
( 1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
( 1 John 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
( John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I can go on and on, The Commandments are a must, it's not an opinion of the Disciples, it's the Doctrine of Christ. The Churches have lied to us when they say we don't have to keep the commandments.
Now, you say once saved, a person must keep himself in God's Love, I showed you what God's love is, Keeping the Commandments but you have twisted that as well. ( Matthew 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. This means that you are not saved until the end, meaning if you die now or when Christ returns. The scriptures are self evident, they need no interpretation from man.
The Creator gave us a road map and free will, Choose wisely but I beg anyone reading this, don't let the Church do your work, Christ gave you Books, read them and pray for understanding, The Spirit will guide you into all Truth!
I agree, when we read the Bible and pray for understanding from God's Holy Spirt we are blessed with full understanding.
We SHOULD NOT depend on men or the church to guide us.....but the TRUE scripture.
It's hard for me to observe many modern day christians and church's believing that they can ignore God's 10 Commandment's.
To me, it all boils down to the most powerful verse spoken by Jesus Christ:
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
This verse is small but it says it ALL....
If we disagree with this verse, we disagree with Jesus Christ!
God Bless
Thank you for your response. Yes, we both agree that we must obey God's commandments and remain faithful until death to inherit the blessings. Where we don't, perhaps, see eye to eye is what are the commandments of God today.
Do you keep God's commandments by getting circumcised as per Leviticus 12:3?
Do you keep God's commandments and dwell in booths for seven days every year as per Leviticus 23:42?
Do you make fringes on the border of your garments as per God's commandment at Numbers 15:38?
Do you go up to Jerusalem three times a year as per God's commandment at Exodus 23:17?
If you answer no, it seems to me that you don't, after all, obey God's commandments. Jesus and the Apostle John did not say, "If you obey the 10 commandments", but rather, "If you obey the commandments" (all the commandments). The question arises, though, which commandments?
I would suggest the commandments of the New Covenant (or Testament) found in the portion of our Bibles called the New Testament.
As for Matthew 5:17-18, please note one important point - it says till all be fulfilled. The purpose of the law was fulfilled when Christ offered up his perfect life in sacrifice. Then, it was done away with. Notice:
Galatians 3:23-25 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law (a schoolmaster), shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore THE LAW WAS our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But AFTER that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the law).
That's why Jesus also said at the parallel account of Matthew 5:17-18 found at Luke 16:16.
Luke 16:16 "The LAW and the prophets WERE UNTIL JOHN: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
Then, Jesus set up the New Covenant.
Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
I welcome your further thoughts.
Good day, Vince.
You and others here are confusing and trying to complicate the issue....by trying to mix in the old ceremonial laws into the 10 Commandments.
Below you state:
Do you keep God's commandments by getting circumcised as per Leviticus 12:3?
Do you keep God's commandments and dwell in booths for seven days every year as per Leviticus 23:42?
Do you make fringes on the border of your garments as per God's commandment at Numbers 15:38?
Do you go up to Jerusalem three times a year as per God's commandment at Exodus 23:17?
God's 10 Commandments DO NOT include any of the above listed old testament ceremonial laws.
Brother Michael: Do you believe this scripture verse below spoken by Jesus?
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
God bless
Thank you for your comments.
Can a person decide to keep only a portion of the laws of his city or country? Can a person keep only a portion of the terms of his rental lease or of his work contract? In like manner, can a person keep only a portion of the contract (Mosaic Law) made between God and Israel. There were over 600 laws given. The 10 commandments are only the first 10 of those 600+ laws.
Notice what Israel said when the Mosaic Law (or Covenant) was inaugurated by blood at Exodus 24:3-8:
Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL the words of the LORD, and ALL the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."
James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of ALL."
If a person keeps the 4th commandment but not the other commandments of the Old Covenant, he is breaking the law. That is why the apostle Paul, under inspiration, said the law had to be changed.
Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."
Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to VANISH AWAY."
Replaced by the New Covenant (or Testament) by Jesus' shed blood.
Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my blood, which is shed for you."
I gladly obey those commandments of Jesus Christ ( John 14:15), of the New Testament, which were communicated by inspiration and revelation to the Apostles - from Acts to Revelation. See 2 Corinthians 12:7 and 2 Timothy 3:16.
I kindly welcome your further comments.
I bid you a good day.
When Jesus speaks, he speaks the words from his Father - God.
John 12:49
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
John 12:50
"And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
Jesus states in John 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is LIFE EVERLASTING."
To say that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid, is to say that God made a mistake when he created the 10 Commandments!
I believe that Satan is certainly hard at work here in this world, with so many people that now believe that Gods 10 Commandments are no longer valid.
God Bless
I quote your words: "To say that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid, is to say that God made a mistake when he created the 10 Commandments!"
Did God make a mistake when he created the commandment to circumcise at
Leviticus 12:3 "And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised,"
Why, then, did the first century Church change that commandment of God and say that it is not necessary to get circumcised in Acts 15?
Please, if you could answer, specifically, my 2 questions above, I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time.
Good day.
Your 1st question:
1. Did God make a mistake when he created a request (not a commandment) to circumcise?
No, God did not make a mistake. It was a request, per the scripture below:
Leviticus 12:1
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying," 2 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying," and continued on....3And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
God said to Moses SPEAK to the children of Israel! This circumcision was a REQUEST at that time. It was not a commandment in the same sense as a commandment in God's 10 Commandments. VERY IMPORTANT distinction!
Your second question:
You ask why did the church of the 1st century change God's request of circumcision. Because it wasn't one of God's 10 commandments.
The apostles believed and followed God's 10 commandments, and they did not change any of God's 10 Commandments!
Here is apostle John stating that fact:
1 John 2:3
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."
Now Brother Michael, please answer one question for me: Do you believe that the apostles were wrong in following and keeping God's 10 Commandments?
I await your answer Brother.
God Bless
Thank you for taking the time to answer my 2 questions.
1) You mention that the commandment at Leviticus 12:3 was a "suggestion". When the Law was give to Israel, they made a covenant between themselves and God. Please read Exodus 34:3-8. Notice specifically
Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL THE WORDS of the LORD, and ALL THE JUDGMENTS: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."
That does not sound like a "suggestion" but a command - an order. Jewish people have thus very meticulously made certain to circumcise their children. Moses was almost killed by the LORD because he had not circumcised his son. Please read Exodus 4:24-26. That seems to me that the LORD takes circumcision very, very seriously. In fact, in the first century, even believing Jews believed that a believer in the Messiah must be circumcised to be saved.
Acts 15:1 "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED after the manner of Moses, YE CANNOT BE SAVED."
2) You mention that the first century Church followed the 10 commandments.
I do agree that they did follow 9 of those commandments. They are re-iterated in the New Testament or Covenant set up by Jesus through his blood mentioned at Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Luke 22:20. However, nowhere do the Apostles every tell the Church, in clear words, "remember to keep the sabbath". Could you provide me 1 verse where an apostle clearly says to keep the sabbath - that actual word "sabbath" being used? In fact, Paul says the opposite at Colossians 2:16 and Galatians 4:10.
3) Now to answer your question. The apostles did not ever say that they obeyed the "10" commandments. They said that they obeyed the commandments. Those would be the commandments of the New Testament given by Jesus Christ through his Apostles via the letters of Romans to Revelation.
I welcome your thoughts again.
Good day to you, Dan.
You answered my question by saying: The apostles did not ever say that they obeyed the "10" commandments. Really? They stated they obeyed Gods commandments, many times.
You also state: I do agree that they did follow 9 of those commandments. I'm sorry but this really makes no sense.
There is no scripture showing that God removed the 4th commandment. Jesus didn't, and the Apostles couldn't, that is why there is no scripture that confirms this. Jesus was confronted many times regarding the Sabbath, and if he had wanted to cancel the sabbath he had many opportunities to do so.
So in your mind 9 of the 10 commandments are ok to follow because the apostles didn't, even though you have absolutely NO scripture stating they DID NOT follow the 4th commandment.
The 10 Commandments stand until the end of time!
Matthew 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
I will agree to disagree with you at this point. In summary, I do believe this disagreement relates to how you and I interpret the scriptures.
God Bless Brother
The question, though, begs to be answered. Why did the Apostles never write to the Church to obey the Sabbath. I don't find the 10 commandments in the letters from Romans to Revelation. They speak only about the commandments - which refers to the commandments of the New Testament. Sabbath keepers always turn to the Old Testament books such as Exodus to say that we must keep the Sabbath. Why don't they quote from the instruction letters sent to the Church - Romans to Revelation?
I would answer, because the Apostles never instructed the Church to do so. In fact, Paul says the complete opposite.
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:"
I, personally, will follow Paul's advice - and let no man judge me.
I respect your thoughts, though, and I will agree to disagree and move on.
Good day, Dan.
The Apostle John says several times that Christians must obey the "commandments" of God. You would say that the Apostle John is referring specifically to the "10" commandments. Can you prove that to me with a verse? Also, why does he not say, even once, specifically, the "10" commandments?
I believe the Apostle John is referring to all the "commandments" given to the Church. Notice...
1 Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are THE "COMMANDMENTS" of the Lord".
Christians obey the "commandments" of the Lord given to the Church through the Apostles in the epistles and not the 10 commandments given to the nation of Israel in the Old Testament. Christians are under the New Testament.
Kindly.
( Revelation 14:3-5)
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
It is only the one hundred forty four thousand, resurrected and standing at the throne of God.
The rest of the dead slept till the second resurrection.
BUT WAIT, were not finished, or without contradiction:
( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Did all of the one hundred forty four thousand die, or did some take cover? vs 17 says those alive will be caught up with the dead to meet the Lord in the air. I tend to believe from the great number of sealed Israelites that some must remain alive. After all, they are witnesses to anti-christ's exploits, and need to see it to the end. Per usual, looking into the translation, etymology would iron matters out.
The first-fruits of the ground were offered unto God just as the first-born of man and animals. "The law required, (1.) That on the morrow after the Passover Sabbath a sheaf of new corn should be waved by the priest before "the altar ( Lev. 23:5, 6, 10, 12; 2:12)." "(2.) That at the feast of Pentecost two loaves of leavened "bread, made from the new flour, were to be waved in like manner" "( Lev. 23:15, 17; Num. 28:26)." "(3.) The feast of Tabernacles was an acknowledgement that the fruits of the harvest were from the Lord ( Ex. 23:16; 34:22). "(4.) Every individual, besides, was required to consecrate to God a portion of the first-fruits of the land ( Ex. 22:29; 23:19; "34:26; Num. 15:20, 21)." "(5.) The law enjoined that no fruit was to be gathered from "newly-planted fruit-trees for the first three years, and that" the first-fruits of the fourth year were to be consecrated to the Lord ( Lev. 19:23-25). Jeremiah (2:3) alludes to the "ordinance of "first-fruits," and hence he must have been" "acquainted with the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers," where the laws regarding it are recorded.
However, due to above corresponding, and conflicting scriptures, any opinion falls inconclusive. The gut feeling says everyone else awaits second entry; all 108 billion souls that ever lived. What do we care, we'll be sleeping.
Knowing, is discovering God's will on any matter of question.
Accepting what God has said on any matter is profitable to our growth as children of God.
Our Daddy does not ever lie, or make things fuzzy so we cannot understand it.
A lying spirit would be happy to get us off track, imagining and wondering; even fantasizing.
The Chief Shepherd leads His sheep. Another "voice" they will not follow. Why? Because the Shepherd cares for His sheep.
People in the Bible, were allowed to catch a brief glimpse of Heaven. Paul, Stephen, John and Peter, Elisha, Elijah and many more! Encourage yourself on all those examples that you are able to dig out of the Bible. The trip is worth it.
God's not hiding heaven from us, at all.
My 8 yr old son didn't want to go to heaven because he said "heaven doesn't have pizza."
I told the Lord about it. Instantly, the Lord said, there will be pizza in heaven I fell off the sofa almost.
The 'accusations' that we hear, that heaven is boring, not cool, not fun, boring food... are Lies from Satan. He knows all of our weaknesses. Why wouldn't he seek to discourage us? Let's learn to say: I rebuke that lie in the Name of Jesus! Goliath told David what he was going to do to him..and David killed Goliath with a rock; and then severed Goliaths head.
The lying demons will leave, IF we confront them with Truth and scripture.They have billions of others who will listen. Chop it's head off and go on with your Victorious Savior, Jesus!
I always think it's a mighty thing to uncover things about God that aren't discussed much.. and study it and then showcase what God has done and is going to do.
Often missed in the story of Gideon: God down-sized his army to a small group. Soldiers that were able to bear full dress, a pack, armor, and LAP water like a deer, keeping a watch for the enemy intently.
M.
Unfortunately, many misunderstand what being saved by grace means.
Yes, there is nothing we could do to save ourselves. Jesus had to die for us to save us. However, we have to repent of our sins and believe (or trust) in Jesus Christ as God's means of removing our sins and saving us. Repenting means that we tell God that we are sorry and that we no longer want to live in sin.
But, once saved, a person must keep himself in God's love.
Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide (remain) in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide (remain) in his love."
We also need to walk in the light if we are to have the blood of Jesus wash away our sins.
1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
The apostle Paul fought a good fight to remain in God's love and thus could receive the crown of righteousness.
2 Timothy 4:7, 8 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Perhaps, an example could help.
A man kills another man. He will be executed. The judge has mercy on him and tells him he will free him if the man repents and promises to not repeat his act. The man agrees. The man was freely forgiven as an act of grace and mercy. There was nothing he could do to save himself. But, now, he must keep to the terms and not kill again. If he does, he will be executed.
Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
I bid you a good day.
Great declaration of clear truth.
To go along with the truth you presented brings us back to Genesis to the "UNCONDITIONAL" promise God performed "ALONE" to Abraham 430 years before the law given.
Hebrews 6:13-19. For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of PROMISE. Galatians 4:28.
Regarding Hebrews 6:13-19, I would direct your attention specifically to verse 15.
Hebrews 6:15 "And so, AFTER HE HAD PATIENTLY ENDURED, he obtained the promise."
Compare that with Hebrews 6:12.
Hebrews 6:12 "That ye be not slothful, but followers of them WHO THROUGH FAITH AND PATIENCE inherit the promises."
James 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?"
What would have happened had Abraham developed a wicked heart and refused to obey God? What if Abraham had cursed God and returned to his original place of residence - the land of Ur? Would he have inherited the promises?
What happened to Israel when they became bad? Did they inherit the promised land? Were they (that generation) not all destroyed in the desert and did not enter the promised land?
Hebrews 3:10-11 "Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest."
Jude 1:5 "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having SAVED the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward DESTROYED them that believed not."
1 Corinthians 10:5 "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness."
God's promises are certain. They will never fail. They are, in fact, like an anchor. So we can absolutely trust God. However, for us to benefit from those promises, we must exercise faith in God - unwavering trust in obeying God and all that he asks of us.
James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also."
2 Peter 1:10-11 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election SURE: for IF ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Good day.
PG 2.
Hebrews 6:12-19. I Erred on page 2, "I meant unconditional covenant, not oath.' Here goes-
Gen.15;1-12.
Vs 6: And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Vs 8:And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
VSES. 9-12. And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
God put Abraham to sleep and entered the covenant alone. only God can break it. ISSAC WAS PROMISED!! AS WELL AS WE!
Galatians 4:28. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 'Unconditional!
Vs 26-27:But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
LOOK AT THOSE UNDER THE LAW IN-
VS 25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. MT SINAI IS A MT YOU COULD NOT TOUCH! ( COULD'NT KEEP ) THE LAW WAS GIVEN THERE.
GEN. 22 Abraham offered up his only begotten promised son, because he believed in the previous promise/covenant. AND KNEW GOD WOULD HAVE TO RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.
Hebrews 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Of whom it was said, "That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
The crucifixion of Christ played out.
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1) When someone "truly" believes in Christ Jesus, he automatically receives the Holy Spirit (see Acts 10:44) and is attached to the vine, Jesus Christ. This is nicely explained in the parallel account of John 15:1-6 at:
Romans 11:19-21 "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be GRAFFED IN. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and THOU STANDEST BY FAITH. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE.
Notice, the "gentile" believer, like a branch, is graffed into the olive tree because of his faith in Christ Jesus. But, Paul says to fear - why? Because God can "spare not thee" as he "spared not" the unbelieving Jews.
2) The apostle Peter was writing to faithful believing Christians. See 2 Peter 1:1. He is giving them a warning against false prophets. See 2 Peter 2:1. He specifically says about these ones that they "have forsaken the right way". See 2 Peter 2:15. So, at one time, they were on the right way. At 2 Peter 2:20, he says that they "had escaped the pollutions of the world" but, unfortunately, "they are again entangled therein". They have returned to the world.
Thus, they are likened to a dog who has vomited out his vomit and left it for good. But, then, he returns. Or, the sow (pig) who used to role in the mud. Then he leaves the mud and is cleansed. But, unfortunately, he then returns. In a similar way, these ones who believed in Christ Jesus and received the Holy Spirit and were cleansed of their old, sinful ways, have now returned to their sinful practices. Peter says "too bad for them". Jude says they have "died twice". See Jude 14.
3) As for Hebrews, Paul is speaking to believers.
Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,". This happened when they believed. See again Acts 10:44.
I invite your further thoughts."
In Hebrews 6 I believe the writer is taking to believers, BUT ABOUT SALVATION. I'm at work, I will address Hebrews 6 on my next post.
Thanks. God bless
It's puzzles me how you admit they're in unbelief but insists they're saved.
If you're in unbelief you're not saved, and you can't loose what you didn't have.
Judas was a follower, did he loose salvation? Or did he ever have it?
Concerning Acts 10:44. Look at the previous verse.-
Acts 10:43. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever ( BELIEVETH ) in him shall receive remission of sins.
Yes, you get the Holyspirit the moment you believe. And when you do you will ABIDE, and want be broken off. "Refer to what Brother Jesse has already declared on this"
A Christian may start out fruitless but he want stay there, God is the vine dresser,
Same concept here in Mathews,
Matthew 7:17-20. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A GOOD TREE CANNOT BRING FORTH EVIL FRUIT, NEITHER CAN A CORRUPT TREE BRING FORTH GOOD FRUIT.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
My thoughts would be go back and consider the verses already given
God bless
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Hebrews 3:7-11.Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Israel had a hardened heart. Which is the condition to all men without the "NEW" heart given by the Lord when saved.
( Hebrews 4:2-3. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.)
( For we which have believed do enter into rest,) as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Jude 1:5. answers itself, " they believe not' ( Was not saved )
James 2:21&26.
21:Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
26:For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James is speaking of works "AFTER" salvation not for salvation.
Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. This is what James 2:21 is speaking of.
Hebrews 6:12-19, and James 2:21.
These are 2 seperate accounts of Abraham in Hebrews 6:12-16 and James 2:21-23.
"Hebrews the promise was Issac confirmed by an oath". Played out in Gen. 15:1-12.
James was "Abraham having faith in THAT promise". Played out in Gen. 22:1-14.
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Matthew 7:24-27 (KJV) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man,"WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON A ROCK:"
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that "HEAR" these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which "BUILT HIS HOUSE ON SAND:"
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. ( ONE MAN BUILT HIS HOUS UPON JESUS FINISH WORK ON THE CROSS.) Parallels to Hebrews 10:26-29.
( You can know the way, that doesn't mean you believe in it. you trying to climb up some other kind of way.)
2 Peter 1:8-11. Parallels with 2 Corinthians 13-5. Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, "except ye be reprobates?" (FRUITLESS)
2 Peter 1:8-9"For if these things be in you," and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. IF WHAT THINGS BE IN YOU? ANSWER IN VERSES 5-7. "FRUIT" IF YOU LACK IT YOUR NOT SAVED. YOU KNOW THEM BY THER FRUIT. MATHEWS 7:16.
Romans 11:20-21 (KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Why were they broken off ? "Because of unbelief?
( Well if you're broken off because of unbelief and it takes belief to be saved then you're not saved, because you didn't believe whom he sent. John 5:38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. ( So how can you loose what you didn't have?)
It's 10:45 pm here in Ga. I will be glad to continue our conversation tomorrow after work. I have to get up at 4am.
Goodnight and God bless.