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  • Lost Found on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    It surely seems that Jesus put an end to living by the law when he fulfilled it. HIS commandment was Love which fulfills the law which He proved that we fail to keep it all. But His two laws cover everything! He loves us in spite of ourselves so we should love others in spite of themselves. The hardest to do.

    Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    38 This is the first and great commandment.

    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Jesus nicely summarized the law in those 2 commandments.

    You said Jesus put an end to (destroy) living by the law, but Jesus anticipated someone thinking this so he said Matthew 5:17-18 that he didn't come to destroy the law.

    He also said to obey His commandments: John 14:15. So, one can conclude that if you don't obey His commandments then you don't love Jesus. If you don't love or follow Jesus, that person probably isn't a Christian (a Christ follower by definition).

    For instance, if one thinks it's ok to go out and kill someone, Jesus says no, you can't do that. Romans 6:1-2, Hebrews 10:26.

    God bless...
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    I like to word it like this.

    Jesus didn't come to destroy the law. He came to free us from the law which slew us. he came to take the penalty of not being able to keep the law. " Which freed us from the curse of the law which worked in our members.

    He gave us his spirit to accomplish what the law could not do. ( Read Romans Ch 6.)

    Galatians 5:13-14. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

    For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    I guess you can say he put an end of trying to live by the law for means of salvation. "Judaism"

    but the commandments shows that you need a savior.

    God bless
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    John 14:15

    Luke 12:5

    James 2:14

    Some emphasize some verses over others which frames their beliefs, but all verses in context need to be taken into consideration. Some tend to emphasize grace and deemphasize works, but it's both just as it says in James 2.

    One of the devil's biggest lies is deceiving believers into thinking they don't need to actively follow Jesus and don't need to do anything. If that was true, I don't think Jesus would have warned his followers (Christians) so much through his parables. The Bible talks about keeping strong in the faith, armor of God on, striving for the fruit of the spirit, running the race to the end to get the 'prize'. We can have assurance of faith if we're genuinely following Christ (a Christian), but no one receives salvation until we are judged after this life. If people think they've earned a get out of hell free card and can just sit back and do nothing or follow the world and commit unlimited unrepentant sin and still get to heaven that would be a devastatingly false assumption. God bless. Matthew 7:21
  • Michael - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Jesus' blood does save but notice...

    1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

    This verse reminds us that the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin IF we walk in the light. Thus, if we do not walk in the light but rather walk in darkness, that blood does not cleanse us from all sin and save us.

    Acts 5:32 "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

    This verse reminds us that the Holy Spirit is given to them who obey God. Those who do not obey God will have that Spirit removed from them. Thus, they lose the Spirit and lose God's favor and expression of undeserved kindness or grace. That leads to destruction.

    Galatians 6:7, 8 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
  • Joe Perry - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Michael, have you considered Matthew 16 and John 14? I gave up using single verse some time ago and either copy an outline or better create an outline (better) as I read.

    I call it 'Conversion' and the best description of that is found in Matthew 16:24-28

    24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

    ". . . follow me." At this point there are only 1555 characters left so I will just say, 'follow me' is the beginning of a journey, not the end. I have found examples out side the Bible that fit well.

    "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers We follow Jesus on His path, We keep his teachings not by anything we work at, but by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost which is the final step of conversion.

    John 14 The outline I use is"

    Jesus Comforts His Disciples (1-6)

    Oneness with the Father (7-15)

    Role of the Spirit (17-31)

    My first sermon used the Role of the spirit.

    31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. (KJV)

    31 but so that the world may know that I love the Father, [d]I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here. (ASV)

    When I read it is from the king James Version. The language is modern enough to be understood, but old enough to remind me of the Majesty of God.

    I do refer to the (NASB1995) for present day language on many occasions.

    I do look forward to reading your comments. Thank you and Bless you.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Adam.

    I'm sorry but I left out "not" in this sentence towards the end.

    All the Glory to God, We obey from the heart the Laws of God, NOT by command.

    Talk to you later my friend, I'm struggling with this multitasking.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 10:24-29. And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

    Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    For if we sin WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Our position in Christ oppose to those in the flesh/unsaved-

    - Romans 8:6-13. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

    ""BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS FROM THE DEAD DWELL IN YOU, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU.""

    Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

    For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    The 1st Adam a living soul. "flesh

    The 2nd Adam a life giving spirit.

    All the Glory to God, We obey from the heart the Laws of God by command.

    written in our fleshly hearts.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Adam, I just realized I left half of the reply off.. Here's what I meant to send.

    Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 24:3 - 2 years ago
    Romans 6:1 (KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?



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