Bible Discussion Thread

  • Bob on John 2
    God existed before the world and is the father of all .

    Any one doubt that ?

    Jesus being born of God ( as well as a women ) anyone doubt that ?

    Jesus being of God ( the son of God ) automatically makes him before the world existed because God is .

    It's a no brainer unless you think Jesus is just a man like a prophet .

    Peter said Jesus was the son of the living God and the Christ for told in scriptures.

    All this trinity doctrine is just mans attempt to explain God .

    And it's still just mans doctrine not found in the Bible but formed hundreds of years later .
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

    Do you believe these Scriptures? As I could put more titles that both Jesus Christ and LORD(from the OT) share if you'd like.

    There is no trinity "doctrine". That is what is in the Holy Bible. Trinity is just a word of tri/three + unity= trinity. Jesus Christ is ONE with God the Father and so is the Holy Ghost.

    And in those days, the Chosen One will sit on his Throne, and all the Secrets of Wisdom will flow out from the council of His mouth, for the Lord of Spirits has appointed Him and glorified Him.

    So as you are a man are you trying to explain God yourself? All we do is read the Scriptures.
  • Bob - in Reply on John 2
    I and my father are one , that's a relationship.

    Do you know what a relationship is ?

    Husband and wife are one .

    So it's starts falling apart for you right at the start .

    Can you prove that the father and son are not a relationship?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    Hi Bob,

    Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

    I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

    Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

    Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

    As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

    Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

    Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

    I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

    Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

    Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

    Thank you. God Bless.
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on John 2
    It is a spiritual relationship.

    1 Corinthians 2:14

    "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    John 4:24

    "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

    God Bless

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