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  • S Spencer on Hebrews Ch 6 on Matthew 20
    PG 2.

    Lets revisit the text starting from-

    Hebrews 5:11-14. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

    For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

    For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

    But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    Paul is urging them towards maturity.

    Now lets take up Hebrews 6:7-9.

    For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

    Verse 8: But that which ""beareth thorns and briers"" is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

    THE KEY IS IN VERSE 9.

    Verse 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and ( things that accompany salvation,) though we thus speak. WHAT ACCOMPANIES SALVATION? FRUIT AND REWARDS.

    Verse 8 parallels with

    Isaiah 5:6-7. And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

    For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

    Also. Link

    You see the whole concept here. Link

    You see these verses can not be about salvation, if so we're all in trouble.

    Its about what accompany salvation.

    I hope that helps.
  • S Spencer on Hebrews 6 - in Reply on Matthew 20
    PG 1.

    Lets start with Hebrews 6:4-6 with the view you can loose your salvation.

    4: For it is ""impossible"" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

    5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

    6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    That sounds like they're saved right? Right.

    So if you read that verse carefully with the mind you can loose your salvation "you got one shot at it!!" ( For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened....) ( If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)

    You can take this passage and say if you were saved and some how stumbled "a small lie, got angry, ect.." it is impossible to renew you to repentance!! your forever Lost!! Read it again with the view you can loose your salvation.

    That does not sound right so now take the passage with the view you cant loose your salvation and say these people was not really saved, "The Calvinist view"

    It seems they suffer the same fate! Whether professors or not 'they were once enlightened'.

    It is "Impossible" ( for those who were once ""enlightened,"" and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

    And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

    If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)

    The unsaved premise seems to also fails. they also got one shot!

    I believe the writer is writing to believers, he addresses them that way in Ch 3:1. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling",

    I don't think this is talking about salvation at all, it don't say renew them again to salvation, it say repentance. The writer is writing to the Hebrews and urging them to maturity, the burden of the writer is not to return to Judaism. Legalism, them becoming fruitless
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 20
    This is a repost to the 2 links that I pasted, Something went terribly wrong!!

    Isaiah 32:12-13. They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.

    Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:

    "PARRELLELS WITH HEBREWS 6:8".

    HERE'S THE 2ND

    1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (KJV) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

    Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.



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