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  • Word 76 on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 2 years ago
    Leslie asleep is the subject matter of the chapter and it is speaking of those that are dead and will return with the Lord. Clouds is as Paul used when speaking of a crowd of people gathered to race as in chapter 11 of Hebrews using street Greek and you'll come to the word "air" and that means spiritual breath or changing to spiritual life bodies. The chapter is the dead returning and we here on earth can't prevent it cause it's going to happen. Now if you read the KJV Bible in Ezekiel 13 you'll see God hates those who teach the fly to save their souls speaking of preachers who out of their own mind dream up their own Devine thoughts and not Gods because the rapture is a lie and not in Gods plan. Learn the word and you'll change your place of worship.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 2 years ago
    If I may also reply to your post Word 76.

    Now the "rapture" is of coarse controversial to the church with usually three or four variants of when this happens. I myself would never say "the rapture is a lie". How would anyone know the exact plans of God? How deep His mind is as it could mean numerous things. Very much the literal "harpazo" or "snatching away by force" of the Church of Christ from this earth. The word "cloud" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. is the Greek word "nephele" and means just that "a cloud in the air".

    As I've stated before on this subject. We must be ready for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ at all times. As in what hour you think not is when the Son of Man cometh. Matthew 24:44. Weather a "rature" or when our life here ends does not really matter. It is going to be one or the other and of coarse most likely we shall have to go through physical death. We must endure till the end. Though I would never say the Lord is not going to snatch away His Church one day from this wicked world. I pray ever single day the Lord takes me home. Though everything is His Will not ours. We must be patient and solid in the Lord.

    The word "rapture" comes from the Latin word "rapiemur", which is from "rapto", having the same meaning as the Greek "harpazo". Which is used in the Latin Vulgate in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

    God Bless.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 2 years ago
    Brother Richard, I will respond to Isaiah 66, 2 Peter 3:7 and these other scriptures, I'm slow.
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 2 years ago
    Hello, I don't believe such assumptions are true. I believe the Bible is true exactly in what it says: 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, when it says both those asleep (dead) and those alive will meet Jesus in the air and clouds it meets exactly that.

    When it says one will be taken the other left, it also means exactly that: Luke 17:34-36. And when it says the same thing here, it also means that too: Matthew 24:40-41. Rapture is just a convenient word people use to describe what Jesus told us would happen.

    Ezekiel 13 isn't related to this rapture. God bless.



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