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  • Richard in Christ on Psalms 100
    As I am looking forward to a reply from Earl I want to make another post. No rush Earl you have stated your situation.

    As Adam has stated in another post I cannot see ALL being saved in the end as how many Scriptures there are about people going to eternal damnation or "Hell". Some can't see a loving God be like this to people for say only sinning in the span of their physical life. Though I don't think anyone can perceive how serious sin is to a Perfect, Pure, Almighty God. Also in that it is not the pleasure of God that any should perish. The Lord will not turn away any that truly come to Him. Then on the day of Judgement when the books are opened. People may be shown how many times in their lives God has tried to lead them to Salvation in Jesus Christ and repentance of sins. Maybe just repentance before the Lord came to earth. All up to Him as He is fair.

    So here are a couple more Scriptures I find that solidify this. Even at the end of Isaiah 66:23-24. Speaking of all flesh coming to worship Him though just the next verse it speaks of how bad it will be for those who are against Him. Daniel 12:2, Psalms 9:17, 2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 6:8, 1 Peter 4:17-19, 2 Peter 3:7. Our names written in Heaven which does not seem to be for all Luke 10:20.

    How Jesus Christ spake of a "Hell" and tried to warn people of it a lot. A place of "wailing and gnashing of teeth". Eternal punishment as those who are saved eternal life. The same Greek word used "aionios" for "everlasting or without beginning or end".

    The story of Lazarus and there being two places separate from each other after death. Luke 16:20-31.

    Weather it be sheol, hades, gehenna, tartarus, or just hell I want nothing to do with any of those places. I believe God loves us so much He sent us these warnings in that we do not have to go there. Though if any reject Him He will not force anyone to be with Him.

    A good saying. "If you are born twice(born again in the Spirit) you die once, born once die twice".
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Psalms 100
    Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Before we can truly start to understand the scriptures we have to first understand THE DAY OF THE LORD.

    Most look at God's word through natural eyes. A day to them is a period of 24 hours. In the world with no beginning and no end; time does't exist. One day is a thousand years; even this doesn't mean a ratio 1 to 1000.

    The old testament is full of prophecies about the DAY OF THE LORD; all these prophecies of that day (a day called TODAY) were fulfilled when John the Baptist came proclaiming the kingdom of God is at hand. That day of the Lord; a day called TODAY is still in existence 2000 years latter; called TODAY (if you hear my voice harden not your hearts). This ONE day shall continue as long as this age of the church last.

    THE DAY OF THE LORD is the day that it became possible to have CHRIST IN YOU. We don't know what hour we are in; this DAY OF THE LORD. But the prophecy in Zachariah says:

    Zachariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the light (Christ is the light) shall not be clear, nor dark:

    Zachariah 14:7 But it shall be ONE day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it SHALL COME TO PASS, that at evening time IT SHALL BE LIGHT.

    Understanding this DAY OF THE LORD is necessary as we discuss Isaiah 66 and other scriptures.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 100
    Hello Earl,

    I guess simply I understand "the Day of the Lord" as being now. As in the term we have for AD after the year. This comes from the Latin words "Anno Domini" basically meaning "year of the Lord" as after the Lord Jesus Christ came to earth.

    In that I believe all have the chance and ability to come to Christ and be saved. Though many Scriptures point not all shall be saved in the end. The wheat shall be separated form the tares, the sheep from the goats, etc. Some make it to life eternal some to eternal damnation. Christ taught this many times so I really cant see it another way.

    As from other Scriptures in that in the end the righteous shall be separated from the wicked and never have to see them ever again. I don't see all going to the same place in the end.

    Like I stated before if that is what God want's of coarse that is what will happen. I don't wish bad on anyone even them which I would call my enemies. Though the only enemy I really have is satan, evil, sin, etc. The people who are following those things instead of God and Christ we are told it does not end well for them. Though I can't see Christ preaching these things for no reason.

    Thank you Earl.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Psalms 100
    Brother Richard, may the SPIRIT grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    YES I do believe that in the ages to come ALL WILL BE IN CHRIST.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put ALL THINGS under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    A good portion of the scriptures is prophecy; as is:

    Psalms 22:26 The meek shall eat (my flesh and drink my blood; which is the word of God) and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek(s) him (we praise him because he seeks us; we don't seek him), your heart shall live forever (eternal life being resurrected with him; Revelation 20:5-6).

    Psalms 22:27 ALL the ENDS OF THE WORLD SHALL REMEMBER AND TURN UNTO THE LORD: and ALL the kindreds of the nations SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.

    Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S (accomplished at his death and resurrection; Revelation 11:15,): and he is the governor among the nations.

    Psalms 22:29 And they (firstborn, children of HIS resurrection) that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they (the ones not raised with him at HIS resurrection) that go down to the dust (awaiting the second resurrection) SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM: and NONE can keep alive his own soul.

    Psalms 22:30 A seed (firstborn) shall serve him; it (seed or the firstborn) shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation (the age of the firstborn or the age of the church).

    Psalms 22:31 They (Firstborn, Elect, Saints) shall come (in the next ages), and shall declare HIS righteousness unto a people (those raised in the second resurrection) THAT SHALL BE BORN, that HE hath done this.

    The shadow in the old testament is the feast of weeks (feast of firstfruits) and the feast of the ingathering (final harvest).
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 100
    My brother Earl,

    Your belief is truly pure. Though I still cannot make that decision from the things in the Bible. Again, as God's ways and thoughts are so high above us I know I could be wrong. Ecclesiastes 11:5.

    With things like John 10:26 Jesus Christ telling people they are not of His sheep.

    Just going to focus on the one verse of 1 Corinthians 15:28. In that verse the word "all" is the Greek word "pas". Mostly it is translated as "all" thought this is not the best word for "every single one or the whole or completely". The Greek words better for that are "hapas" and "holos" for a couple.

    In the definition of "pas" it states " The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ..."

    Now I won't go as far as to say your belief is incorrect as I perceive you more wise than I. Again there are other things that keep me to the "saved and unsaved" in the end.

    Like I stated before in that if all were to be saved in the end I really would see no real use of the Bible, following Christ, doing right or wrong, if in the end it doesn't matter. This also does not seem fair to all the people that may have been tortured or killed by someone(say Hitler) and He is to be saved and be with them for eternity.

    Sometimes being fair doesn't look like the nicest thing. To the wicked that is. Though God is fair. Ezekiel 18:20-32.

    God Bless you brother Earl.



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