Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Read the bible on Luke 1
    Luke 1 v 15 , 16 , 17

    Here it speaks of John the Baptist, and Jesus said John was the greatest of all the prophets.

    Verse 15 says John was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb . So John did not live a life of sin . Yet John is not The Son of God like Jesus , because John has a fleshy father called Zechariah.

    Jesus father was God via the Holy Spirit .

    Two very different births both living Holy lives .

    Jesus is the Son of God not a prophet like John . John expressed this at Jesus Baptism.

    Jesus Born of God and God being with him . Yet only the Son of God .

    Not God himself . Two distinct identities.

    If you asked Jesus for his address then it would have been from Nazareth.

    If you asked God the father for his address it would be in heaven , eternally, With no limitations.

    People often say Jesus was before the world .

    Yes so is anyone born of God . If a person is born of God , God is with them (God does not have limitations Of this world but is eternal) . Jesus was born of God in a way John was not .

    No man can say I was before the world unless he is born of God .

    John was the best of all and acknowledged he was not worthy to unloose Jesus boot straps .

    I hope this helps some , I don't want to write a book .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi I read your post, I would like to reason with you on John not living a life of sin,

    I believe anyone born again can make that claim, because of we being baptized in Christ, "read Romans 6.

    BUT that don't make us sinless, as long as we're in these bodies sin is there,

    read Romans 7.

    Not until Christ rose from the dead were we given the power over sin, ""Not sinless but nolonger running after sin"".

    ( Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.)

    John knew himself Jesus baptism was different and he needed it

    Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

    Before the Christ was crucified and rose again there was a dwelling of the Holyspirit for God's servants to minister but there wasn't a baptism of the Holyspirit that proceeded after the Lamb slain for the sins of the World. by which we minister and by which we are "Positionally sanctified " ( Forever cleansed from the penalty of sin)

    John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    Romans 3:23-24. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
  • Read the bible - in Reply on Luke 1
    Yes John inherited flesh from Adam and needed to be born again .

    But When God the father wants to do something or use someone, no one can prevent him from his will .

    Remember Jesus said God could raise up stones to worship as Jesus came into Jerusalem on a donkey ?

    With God all things are possible, he proves that often .

    If God chooses to use anyone he will equip and use them .

    So John the man was used by God , read about it ...

    God seems to enjoy doing the impossible for those that trust him . How about the parting of the Red Sea ! That's contrary to the laws of nature . So many examples in the bible .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Luke 1
    I agree, John was unique, we're probably splitting hairs here, God bless
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hello,

    Just one question to your post. As most is accurate. So if John the baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb how can you, in another post, and others, think Jesus Christ received the Holy Ghost at His water baptism?

    Thank you.
  • Read the bible - in Reply on Luke 1
    Jesus was Born of God through Mary and the Holy Spirit .

    At Jesus baptism Jesus was anointed by the father with the Holy Spirit for Jesus ministry that he finished! Amen

    Anointing is for service to God .

    It shows how the father is in control of the Holy Spirit ...

    Without anointing by God , all is vain service . We need to walk holy lives to please God , a challenge indeed. You can not sin and be lead by the Holy Spirit , John was an exceptional man being led by the Holy Spirit from the womb . Yes John had a special service to be a light for the Lord Jesus .
  • WHY The Baptism of Jesus - in Reply on Luke 1
    Love your quest to know everything about Jesus; why he did things the way he did them. All these things are recorded in Scripture. This event is a prophesy fulfilled.

    Wesley's Notes for Matthew 3:15

    3:15 It becometh us to fulfil all righteousness - It becometh every messenger of God to observe all his righteous ordinances. But the particular meaning of our Lord seems to be, that it becometh us to do (me to receive baptism, and you to administer it) in order to fulfil, that is, that I may fully perform every part of the righteous law of God, and the commission he hath given me.

    People's Bible Notes for Matthew 3:15

    Mt 3:15 Suffer [it to be so] now. The term "now" implies that the relation of Jesus to his work made it proper that now he should be baptized. It is true that baptism was for sinners; Jesus was sinless; but he humbled himself, accepted the burden of human duties, and must set a perfect example to men. He obeyed the Jewish law, and it was needful also that he obey the Divine rite that John had inaugurated. Thus it becometh us. In order to fulfill all righteousness, show forth a perfect obedience, set a perfect example, it became him to submit to the institution of baptism, and it became John to administer it to him. "Us" refers to Jesus and John.

    Comment by Mishael:

    There are CHARTS online of Every Prophesy, the life of Jesus fulfilled on earth. Put that in Google and find those charts. Save to your Google desktop for easy reference.

    The day Jesus died on the Cross for our sins; over 100 prophesies were Fulfilled. Or, marked DONE. The ODDS of that being done by one person exceeds the number of stars in our Universe! :)

    This is the Man, prophesied to save us from our sins, and give us eternal life. Trust Him.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hello Mishael,

    Thank you for your reply. Although I believe you may have taken my question a little off. It wasn't why Jesus was baptized in the Jordan. Just as you stated that in Matthew 3:15 Jesus told John it was to "fulfill all righteousness".

    It was just in a previous post from RTB, and at least one other, that they state that Jesus Christ was anointed with, or received, the Holy Ghost at His baptism by John. As he made a good point in Luke 1:15 how John the baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb. As we know how much greater Jesus Christ is than John the baptist. Not taking anything away from how great John the baptist was.

    I stated this in a post the other day about Jesus Christ and being filled with the Holy Ghost "Even at age twelve He astonished people who heard Him. He knew God was His Father then Luke 2:47-49. To me showing He did not just receive the Holy Ghost(Spirit of God) at His water baptism in the Jordan. If the sight of the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove was just a sign for John, or for His supernatural powers, only God knows. John 1:32-34."

    I hope that cleared up for you that my question was not why He was baptized but about the Holy Ghost being in Him before His water baptism. Which I believe and there is evidence to in the Scriptures.

    Thank you very much for your reply Mishael. You always leave lots of helpful information.

    God Bless.
  • Jesus and John the Baptist - in Reply on Luke 1
    I understand. I've always loved the stories and prophesies about how Jesus came to earth: John's birth and then Jesus. Then the one when John was imprisioned; before his death.

    Luke 7:16-39

    Especially what John said from the depressing darkness of prison, awaiting death:

    And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, "Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?" Luke 7:19

    [Showing that from the least to the greatest, sometimes we have doubts in loneliness and darkness]

    24: And when the messengers of John were departed, he (Jesus) began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

    25: But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts.

    26: But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

    27: This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

    28: For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

    >Thank you for enduring my posts that are about fond scripture passages that I find comforting.

    Mishael
  • Carleton - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hello Richard and Mishael, afternoon thoughts.

    When Jesus was born as a babe in the manger was he not fully God and fully man in the hands of sinful man? All fullness contained in a small vessel of flesh. Certainly he had all awareness of being fashioned as a man. The Holy Ghost His Comforter as well as His surrendered Nature.
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Respectfully,

    Jesus was never "fully God & fully man" (that term is not found in scripture)

    The man Christ Jesus is called the Christ, because he was annointed with the holy Spirit of his Father. This is the definition of the word; Christ - the annointed one.

    When was he annointed? :

    Luke 3:22

    And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

    This is when the fulness of the Godhead (God the Father who is the Holy Spirit - John 4:24/ Leviticus 11:44) began to dwell in the body of His Son ( Colossians 2:9).

    Not at His birth.

    Yes, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit (God the Father)-( Matthew 1:18) in the womb of a virgin.

    But the Holy Spirit (God) did not begin to dwell in His Son until His baptism by John in the Jordan.. and only then did Jesus begin His 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.

    This is not my opinion, this is what the scripture declares.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Luke 1
    John 17:5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    When he was returned to his Glory he addresses his self the way he did in the old testament.

    Isaiah 9:6(KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (((THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE ))).

    Can someone tell me why is the SON called the everlasting FATHER inIsaiah 9:6??

    Look at the opening of Revelation 1:1.

    ( The Revelation of Jesus Christ.)

    ""The unveiling "" The climatic declaration of who he is.

    Look how he declares himself to John.

    Revelation 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, ((THE ALMIGHTY!!))

    Here is how Almighty is defined in Revelation:

    Greek:

    Transliteration: pantokratr

    Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

    Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

    KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

    Occurs: 10

    In verses: 10

    "" ME AND MY FATHER ARE ONE""
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Luke 1
    S Spencer, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Isaiah 9:6 ..... HIS NAME shall be called

    Christ bears the NAME of his Father just as we bear the name of our earthly father; but the Father (through Jesus) gives us a new name. We will bear the name of our true Father.

    Revelation 2:17 .... To him that overcometh .......I (the Father) will give him (the overcomer) a white stone (the cornerstone, Christ) and in the (new) stone (us) A NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth SAVING HE THAT RECEIVED IT.

    I Know HIS wisdom and HIS understanding will grace you with the answer.

    Romans 8:29

    Revelation 22:13

    Ephesians 2:15
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Jesus Christ, the Son of God; is called the Everlasting Father because He is now seated on the throne on the right hand of the Father (remember God is a Spirit he doesn't have hands- right hand just means place of authority(like "right hand man" - this is why he said in Matthew 28:18 " all authority has been given to me in heaven and earth") in his glorified body and the same Holy Spirit dwelling in that glorified body.

    This is how Jesus and the Father are one:

    By the Holy Spirit (who is His Father) dwelling in Him.

    That same Holy Spirit dwells in Christians and causes them to speak in tongues & prophesy.

    Praise the Lord!
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Respectfully, that is your opinion, and not what the scripture declares. You have chosen to interpret the Bible a certain way and that is your opinion. Most Christians don't read the Bible in the way you describe and disagree with you. But what really matters is what God says the truth is. There's been some fake news circulating around lately where some are claiming Jesus isn't God, but a few Bible scriptures debunk that lie very quickly.

    Here's what the scripture declares: John 10:30. John 1:1. 1 John 5:7-8.

    The heresy of claiming Jesus didn't become man and wasn't who he said he was even occurred back in Jesus' times and is even in the Bible! 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7. It literally calls these people spreading the lies the antichrist.

    So, the Bible clearly says that Jesus is God and was fully man. Since it says that, the phrase Jesus was fully God and fully man sounds true. Just because the phrase in that word order doesn't appear in the Bible doesn't mean it's not 100% true. The Bible also doesn't use the word restroom anywhere, but that doesn't mean people never had to use a bathroom or toilet.

    Since it clearly says in the Bible it's true, it seems like an unusual argument to make against it being true. It doesn't seem like such an argument would come without scripture evidence or without serious prayer asking God if this is true or not, before spreading such information around. The Bible calling someone an antichrist is not a joke- that is a serious offense to mislead others and try to stir up doubt in the body of Christ. So, what is your evidence of this and have you first prayed to God and asked for confirmation if this idea contrary to scripture is "true"?

    God bless...
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Furthermore, on an equally serious topic:

    May I ask; unto what were you baptized and have you received the gift of the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue) ?
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Verily, I have received this truth by revelation of my Father in heaven. The same way Peter received it and proclaimed when Jesus asked him

    15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    - Matthew 16:15-17

    Jesus is the Son of God.

    Do you see?

    He's not the pagan babylonian/roman "god the son"

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    King James Version

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    The Holy Scriptures proclaim

    God was in Christ.

    Not God was Christ. Or Christ was God.

    This is why Jesus told Mary after he was risen:

    John 20:17

    Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

    Jesus had a Father and a God and that God was in Him and in Heaven @ the same time.

    When you say Jesus was fully God you exalt the flesh and create an idol for yourself.

    All the pagan religions have a trinity: starting with the original mystery of iniquity in Babylon (nimrod semiramis and tammuz) to Hinduism, greek gods, roman gods etc.



    Christian's only believe in one God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Holy Spirit.

    The verses you referenced speak nothing of a "trinity" of Gods. 1 John 5:7 is speaking of God the Father who is in heaven.

    And 1 John 5:8 is speaking of the blood covenant by baptism of water and Spirit on the earth.

    John 8:31-32

    Trust in the word and forsake the teachings of deceived men.

    Be well, in Jesus' name
  • Read the bible - in Reply on Luke 1
    I enjoy your posts

    May you continue in your seeking truth , And sharing it .

    You have good clarity of thought and good bible understanding, a few points I may not agree with but I never met anyone I fully agree with either. But those things can be worked on .

    But outright error is not of God that many have , unknowingly , because they look to men for answers , and not in Gods word .
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Blessed be the name of the Lord!

    Thank you for the encouragement.

    Glory to God, for I can take no credit as I am nothing, but all is due to the Holy Spirit that reveals all things by His word.

    I can see that our Father is leading you into all truth as well.

    Yea we can only speak as the oracles of God, and let the chips fall where they may; so to speak. Jesus never debated or strove with anyone, even saying to his 12 disciples; will you leave too? After the multitude departed from the 'hard' saying that they must eat of his flesh (the word) and drink his blood (his Spirit) in order to have life eternal.

    Be encouraged and blessed as you abide in the words and doctrine of the Master Jesus Christ,

    Andrew
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Thanks for sharing your evidence. I agree with all the scriptures and believe and trust in the Bible. I don't trust your interpretion of it, however, as to arrive at such a conclusion you first have to cherrypick a few verses and ignore many verses. Secondly, the few cherrypicked have to then be interpreted in an unconventional, distorted way.

    So, it sounds like you don't believe Jesus is God, despite the scripture clearly saying that in these scriptures and elsewhere: John 10:30, John 1:1, 1 John 5:7-8. Jesus is the Word and the Word is God is 100% clear to even children readers.

    The first piece of evidence you used to claim He's not God is Matthew 16:15-17 saying He's the Son of God. But these aren't mutually exclusive. It sounds like you're assuming Jesus somehow can't be both God and the son of God. That's not much different than someone claiming God the Father can't be God, because He's the Father. So, I think your interpretation of this being 'evidence' that Jesus isn't God is a false assumption.

    2 Corinthians 5:19 - God in Christ. That too doesn't mean Christ isn't God's son or isn't God. That involves making yet another assumption.

    John 20:17 - this is your strongest piece of evidence, but again, I believe you have to make another false assumption and ignore earlier in the same book where it clearly says the Word (Jesus) was God. How can you refute that verse so easily. The Bible says Jesus is God in many places, He had the power of God to perform miracles, He died for you, and you prefer to ignore the parts of John that say He's God in favor of the part that says His father is God to draw such a conclusion. Just because you have a hard time understanding the trinity doesn't mean one must rush to such a conclusion to disregard John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58, Titus 2:13, Matthew 1:23, etc.

    One thing I do agree with you on is to not trust man's interpretation. That's why I don't trust your interpretation, but trust what the Bible says. God bless you.
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Dear Adam,

    With all due respect, I've given you the word of God, not my interpretation, and you have rejected it choosing to cleave to the witchcraft/theology of rome and her 501c3 seminary indoctrinated sorcerers.

    The problem here is when I read John 1:1, "and the Word was God"; I believe it as it is written, the written (yes every word of the kjv) or spoken word/logos was God (in the beginning it was only spoken). The Word was with God and the Word was God. Verily in the same way my Word also is with me and I am my Word, it represents me.

    But when you read John 1:1, you believe the word; Word: actually means Son of God or Christ. This is because you have been taught to believe this by Rome. This is called witchcraft, the purposeful twisting of words to mean something other than what they mean.

    God didn't die on a cross.

    God cannot die, and has never been born. He is without beginning or ending.

    The Holy Spirit is eternal.

    The son of God, the man Christ Jesus( 1 Tim. 2:5) died on a cross, and God resurrected him.

    Yes Jesus Christ was a man.

    But he wasn't just any man, he was the son of God born without sin, because the Holy Spirit was his Father and a virgin was his mother, therefore he was not born under the curse of Adam, and he lived a sinless life yet being tempted in all the ways we are so he would be the sinless sacrifice for all humanity.

    He was also that prophet spoken of by God to Moses:

    Deuteronomy 18:18

    18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    Just because He spoke the words of His Father (as you referenced John 8:58), does not make Him a "person of the godhead". Many prophets spoke the word of God and didn't claim to be part of the godhead. That is heresy. The word godhead is a singular word, not plural and there are no "persons" in it.

    This is your final admonition to come out of Babylon (rome).

    Be well.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi Andrew ,Deuteronomy ch 6 v 4 ,how can any one misread this ,ive spent a while over the last few days looking up the references for both sides and i am genuinely mystified as to why any one can ever believe that Jesus is God ,im dumbfounded by it ,it reminds me of when i was a child ,my parents divorced when i was 7 and my mum would occasionaly have a boyfriend and she once asked me if i wanted to call him (brian i think ) ,dad and even at that age i knew what was false and said 'but hes not my dad is he ' , im starting to wonder if we are reading the same book ,i was brought up without religion and when i wanted to know about it i didnt ask any ones opinion ,i came to the Bible as an ignoramus ,i took it all at face value and wasnt interested in what any one else thought about any of it ,i knew that if God wants us ,me ,to get to know Him he wont make it hard to understand ,He doesnt want us to be confused or unsure ,He says what He means plainly ,im not highly educated yet i can understand it ,i can only think it must be some sort of outside influence ,maybe subconcious ? I just dont understand why people have this belief ,its mystifying .I hate to say this as it does sound aggresive but i wonder if its the 'i know something you dont ' attitude ,causing division in order to exclude people who dont agree with you ,i know thats a spitefull thought from me but i just cant understand the reasons behind it .Sorry if i sound nasty i really dont mean to but im completely at a loss to figure it out .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi Sacha If there's nothing wrong with you holding on with what you believe in it shouldn't bother you if others feel the same way! Listening to your recent posts you're critical on people debating their differences but you join the debate and you presents yourself the same way in this Post when you say I'm quoting you. "you know it's nasty", and "you know it sounds spiteful," You've said before you "struggle"with Loving the brethern, it was something you have to work on", You've said "you slip out a curse word every now and then", end quote. No one is perfect, our flesh provokes us to do these things, but it's something the Spirit convict us of, ""ITS NOT A TESTIMONY " No one has defeated the flesh. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Romans 8:11-12. That same Spirit teaches us all things, Including patience and Longsuffering, And he opens our eyes to the Scriptures. And he causes us to Love the brethren, "We are to hold one another accountable to provide truth in the scripture"

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness: Iron sharpens Iron! No one should get upset over the truth! We grow by the "Sincere" milk of the word.

    We preach the cross and the cross means nothing if we don't believe in who the Lord say he is,

    Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. We're not ashamed of that!

    The cross is an offense to those who don't believe!!

    I Pray you examine yourself, May the Lord be with you.
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Luke 10:21

    In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

    It's the same spirit of the pharisees, the mystery of iniquity, that rejects truth and cleaves to the teachings of men. This is why Jesus said:

    Mark 4:9

    And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Praise the Lord for ears to hear and eyes to see o/!

    I have a brother who often says: if someone grew up on a deserted island and all they had was a kjv bible, they would never come up with the heretical idea of a "trinity" of gods.

    Be encouraged Sacha, and pay no mind to the gainsayers/theologians. They must be born again of the seed (the word of God- 1 Peter 1:23) to see the truth, and only God can do that.

    I pray that you are well this day, in Jesus' name.

    P.S. I'd love to hear from you concerning your baptism in 1996 (as to how it was administered) if you care to email me, my address is just my screenname on here @ gmail (this app won't let you post addresses on here)
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 1
    Sacha,

    I just read Deuteronomy 6:4. Would I be misreading it if I believe it is referring to God as Lord? Also, Does God alone have all authority over heaven and earth?
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Dear Sacha,

    If you're a Christian and don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is mystifying. If you don't believe in the many scriptures in the Bible that say not only Jesus is the son of God, but is God, then that is mystifying. You are in the minority who believe that. Many think saying such things as what you just said is a heresy, but I wouldn't go so far- I think it's just misunderstanding in the same way the other person did. Much of it involves falsely assuming a format like this: "Jesus has one title, therefore he can't (with my own human interpretation) have other titles, because my personal reasons." You suggested that Jesus is not Lord, but that's a foundational belief in Christianity and is throughout the Bible. It's sad that someone has to also assume false motives of another Christian too. Did you pray to God the Father about this before posting such controversy?

    Examples of Jesus is Lord: Link

    Romans 10:9

    Romans 6:23

    Philippians 2:10-11

    Luke 6:46

    Isaiah 44:6

    John 13:13

    1 Thessalonians 4:16

    2 Timothy 1:8

    Acts 16:31

    1 Corinthians 12:3-5

    Did you reach each of the above?

    Romans 10:9 for example says: ""That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."" - some translations word it as "...if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord..."

    Deut 6:4, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    This verse is similar to: 1 John 5:7-8, John 10:30, and John 1:1, John 1:14, and so many others that say Jesus is God. This doesn't mean Jesus is God the Father, but Jesus is God the Son.

    When it says "we are one" that does not mean they are separate. It means they are one. So, when a man says they can't be one, or Jesus is separate somehow, because it says they are 'one' that idea self-contradicts itself. I believe the Bible as it is written.
  • Ron - in Reply on Luke 1
    Adam, the doctrine or dogma of the Trinity, debated first at Nicaea AD 325. The trinity today basically is God exists as three persons but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will. Let me know if this is incorrect.



    Most Churches I have been to and believe me I have been to many they have said you have to believe in the trinity or you can not be a Christian. Most have a hard time even explaining it.

    If the trinity determines being a Christian, does that also say you have no salvation without believing in the trinity?

    Are there any scriptures in the Bible that say you have to believe in the trinity for salvation?

    Can we believe God would be behind hundreds of thousands of early believers of Jesus to be killed for heresy because of this man-made doctrine?

    If Jesus had the same will as the Father how do we explain this, Jesus just before he was arrested. Luke 22:41-42 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." It is very clear they had a different will but the Son was obedient to the Father. Throughout the new testament it was always His Fathers will not His.

    Is the Son equal with the Father? Is the Holy Spirit equal to the Father? Why did the Son ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name if all three are equal?

    It is said if we deny the trinity, we deny the divinity of Jesus. Can we as mortal man tell someone, what is not clearly said in scripture, you must believe something that was not taught by any of the Apostles or Jesus? We as one can only inspire others to study the Lord is the judge. I believe doctrines and traditions that places burdens, causes divisions, we need to flee.

    In love, Ron
  • Deborah payton - in Reply on Luke 1
    1 John 5:7

    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Ron, you asked a lot of questions there that seem to sidestep the main question: Do you believe the Bible or not?

    Do you believe 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." or not? So, when the Bible says the "three are one" do they mean the three are NOT one? That's what some people in this forum are claiming, which sounds like they believe in the truth of the Bible.

    For those who try to discredit this verse, what other verses will they try to discredit and where does it end? Do they only pick the verses they don't like to 'reinterpret' or do they treat all verses equally? Can someone be a Christian who doesn't fully believe the Bible? Have you tried praying and about this? God bless.
  • Truth be known - in Reply on Luke 1
    Just because three agree fully on something . Does not make them 3 of the same person .

    But 3 in agreement.

    If three people fully agree on the Bible that makes them one in belief , not one in person .

    The witness of 3 is not 1 person that's not even good logic .
  • Sacha - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi Adam ,im sure that i dont need to tell any one on this site the difference between LORD and Lord ,i know it too .
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hello, for 100% clarity of what you believe, go ahead and share your definition of all the words in the KJV Bible for: Lord, God, Jesus, Christ, Father, and Son, whether all caps or not.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi Carleton,

    As you stated I believe Jesus Christ was filled with the Spirit of God since He was in Mary's womb.

    God Bless.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Luke 1
    Good evening Richard, I am like many, happy to read your thoughts and quickened use of scriptures that back them up. It is a gift.

    Thank you, Carleton
  • Sacha - in Reply on Luke 1
    Yes it does help but you didnt give your name so i cant thank you personally .
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Luke 1
    Amen.

    Praise the Lord!

    Revelation 13:8

    King James Version

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

    Of course not.

    John 17:5

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

    had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

    The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

    Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

    If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

    Isaiah 46:10

    Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    It was over before it began.

    Hallelujah!
  • Simon - in Reply on Luke 1
    You said: "The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron" & "Noone has ever pre-existed oneself".

    This is not so according to ( Jeremiah 1:4-5) Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Luke 1
    Simon, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Jeremiah 1:4-10

    I hope you understand this is prophecy about Jesus Christ; not Jeremiah. Read all the way to verse 10.
  • Simon - in Reply on Luke 1
    Earl,

    There's a bit more detail that I didn't include, and figured you would appreciate it. In 1996, after 700 years in its possession, London sent the coronation stone back to Scotland, so effectively neither country sits on David's throne.

    ( Ezekiel 21:27) I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

    In the move, David's throne was overturned three times, ending up in London. The phrase "and it (throne) shall be no more, until"..... Means until Jesus Christ comes, there will be no more throne, no forth overturn, limbo. The Bible continues to fit our current state of affairs, and conditions for Messiah's return.
  • Simon - in Reply on Luke 1
    Earl,

    This prophesy describes Jeremiah's commission, along with Baruch, to move and replant David's throne, along with the ark of the covenant, prior to Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Look at the last two commands of Jeremiah 1:10: "to build, and to plant". Jeremiah replanted David's throne according to God's declaration that David would 'never lack a man sitting on his throne'. Christ has an active, earthly throne to return to; the queen of England sits on David's throne.

    ( Isaiah 49:1,3) God calls Israel (house) "O isles" his servant in whom God will glorify.

    ( Psalm 89:25)

    ( 1 Kings 8:25)

    ( Jeremiah 33:17)

    Jeremiah also played royal matchmaker in Egypt by taking a "low" couple with him to assume the throne. He took a 'tender branch' (daughter) of the kings to heal the Zarah-Pharez breach. ( Isaiah 37:32,31)

    All the kings of the British isles have been coronated on "Jacob's stone", care of Jeremiah, seated beneath the throne. See the pictures. Jeremiah took it from Jerusalem to Ireland, to Scotland, an onward to its current resting place in London, England. It was overturned 3 times along the way, and when the time comes, will be taken by Christ back to Jerusalem.


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