May the Spirit grace us with His truth an understanding.
If there are not two judgments, then how are the saints going to judge the world; because all have to be judged.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come (during a persons physical lifetime) that JUDGMEMT must begin at the house of God ( Hebrews 3:6): an if it first begin at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God.
1 Corinthians 11:31-32 For if we would judge ourselves (by the word of God), we should not be judged.
(vs 32) But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord (as children), that we should not be condemned with the world.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect (love your enemy), that we may have boldness in the day of judgment (in our lifetime), because as he is (he loves his enemies), so are we in this world.
Jude 1:15 To execute judgement on all, and to convince all (some are convinced in their lifetime some are not)....
2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and TRIBULATIONS that you endure:
(vs 5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, which you also suffer:
1 Timothy 5:24 Some men's sins are open before hand, going before to judgment; and some men they (judgments) follow after.
There are many more scriptures that confirm two judgments if you look for them; most don't look but are happy to follow the traditions of man.
I agree that there are two judgements. Everyone will be judged but there will be two separate judgments.
The first judgement will be for believers. It is called the judgement seat of Christ (Bema Seat). Believers will not be judged for salvation because our sins have been forgiven by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
Believers will stand before Christ at the Bema Seat and give an account of their lives. What is not of Christ will burn but we ourselves will pass through the fire ( 1 Corinthians 3:15).
This particular judgement is to determine our reward.
The second judgement will happen at a later time and this judgement will be for non-believers. This is called the Great White Throne judgement. The non-believers will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.
So we will all be judged. We just want to make sure we are part of the first judgement, the Bema Seat of Christ.
S Spencer on WHEN Chrstians WAS Judged - In Reply on 1 Peter 4 - 3 years ago
The answer to when a Christian is judged and whether he will continue in sin is in Romans Ch.6,7and 8.
Here's fragments pulled out of those scriptures.
Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 7:25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
"Positionally the old man have been already charged!
Christ paid the redemptive price on the cross. IT IS FINISHED!!
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It's not a question of judgment It's a question of deception. "are you baptized in his death Positionally? do you have a 2nd nature that you see Paul is mentioning in Romans 7 that fights back against the old Man/old nature?
Christ the first fruit and if the first fruit is Holy the lump is also Holy. Wasn't the resurrection justification? " God's approval,
We have a earnest of the inheritance in the Holyspirit.
To be looking for further judgment suggests we have a works based relationship for salvation and Christ died in vain.
S Spencer Hid in Christ No judgment for Believers - In Reply on 1 Peter 4 - 3 years ago
Colossians 3:1-4. If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
FOR YE ARE DEAD, AND YOUR LIFE IS "HID" WITH CHRIST IN GOD.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
THEN SHALL YE ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY. "Absent of the body present with the Lord"
CHRIST WAS JUDGED FOR OUR SINS NOT HIS!! AND HE ROSE AGAIN FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION!!
You see in the old testament in the book of Exodus, you see the blood of the lamb as an atonement to hide them from judgment.
Exodus 12:11-13. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the "LORD'S PASSOVER."
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute "JUDGMENT": I am the LORD.
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
Christ is our passover, Jews/Gentiles =Church.
John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Believers works what they have done will be tried with fire but not for salvation.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: "BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
May the Spirit grace us with His truth an understanding.
If there are not two judgments, then how are the saints going to judge the world; because all have to be judged.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come (during a persons physical lifetime) that JUDGMEMT must begin at the house of God ( Hebrews 3:6): an if it first begin at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God.
1 Corinthians 11:31-32 For if we would judge ourselves (by the word of God), we should not be judged.
(vs 32) But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord (as children), that we should not be condemned with the world.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect (love your enemy), that we may have boldness in the day of judgment (in our lifetime), because as he is (he loves his enemies), so are we in this world.
Jude 1:15 To execute judgement on all, and to convince all (some are convinced in their lifetime some are not)....
2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and TRIBULATIONS that you endure:
(vs 5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, which you also suffer:
1 Timothy 5:24 Some men's sins are open before hand, going before to judgment; and some men they (judgments) follow after.
There are many more scriptures that confirm two judgments if you look for them; most don't look but are happy to follow the traditions of man.
The first judgement will be for believers. It is called the judgement seat of Christ (Bema Seat). Believers will not be judged for salvation because our sins have been forgiven by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
Believers will stand before Christ at the Bema Seat and give an account of their lives. What is not of Christ will burn but we ourselves will pass through the fire ( 1 Corinthians 3:15).
This particular judgement is to determine our reward.
The second judgement will happen at a later time and this judgement will be for non-believers. This is called the Great White Throne judgement. The non-believers will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.
So we will all be judged. We just want to make sure we are part of the first judgement, the Bema Seat of Christ.
Here's fragments pulled out of those scriptures.
Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 7:25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
"Positionally the old man have been already charged!
Christ paid the redemptive price on the cross. IT IS FINISHED!!
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It's not a question of judgment It's a question of deception. "are you baptized in his death Positionally? do you have a 2nd nature that you see Paul is mentioning in Romans 7 that fights back against the old Man/old nature?
Christ the first fruit and if the first fruit is Holy the lump is also Holy. Wasn't the resurrection justification? " God's approval,
We have a earnest of the inheritance in the Holyspirit.
To be looking for further judgment suggests we have a works based relationship for salvation and Christ died in vain.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
FOR YE ARE DEAD, AND YOUR LIFE IS "HID" WITH CHRIST IN GOD.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
THEN SHALL YE ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY. "Absent of the body present with the Lord"
CHRIST WAS JUDGED FOR OUR SINS NOT HIS!! AND HE ROSE AGAIN FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION!!
You see in the old testament in the book of Exodus, you see the blood of the lamb as an atonement to hide them from judgment.
Exodus 12:11-13. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the "LORD'S PASSOVER."
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute "JUDGMENT": I am the LORD.
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
Christ is our passover, Jews/Gentiles =Church.
John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Believers works what they have done will be tried with fire but not for salvation.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: "BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
when we continually call out god's words they become our life. may the fullness of the spirit abide on you.
God bless you
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