Bible Discussion Thread

The spirit of the Lord is victorious, in every way and we should just live trusting and fearing our almighty God.

Dose sin arter salvation cancel salvation?

Don,

Sin after salvation does not cancel out salvation. If that were the case, we would have to be saved over and over again. When we are saved, we enter into a permanent relationship with Jesus Christ. I believe what happens when a saved believer commits an act of sin, the believer's fellowship with Christ is disrupted until we confess and repent of that sin, but our relationship as a son/daughter with Christ never changes.

If you are saved now, God's Spirit has sealed your spirit, and it by His grace that you will endure in your salvation until He comes to redeem His possession, which is you and I.

Hi Jesse, I can give an example of my early Christian life prior to marriage. I was likely 33 at the time. I fell back into a willing what I call death sin and lost my peace and fulness of the Holy Ghost. It was more like the Holy Ghost was back outside of me pleading for my return. As you mentioned Jesse I had to find complete repentance for the full restoration of the Holy Ghost leading and protecting me from inside myself. It is a much more difficult path to find restoration than the original born again experience because I knew so much more. To separate myself from the sin and then to seek repentance was a real battle and it took me nearly six months to find the grace to separate and truly repent. As far as the lost state, I believe the call to repentance by Jesus through the Holy Ghost was persistant and always nearby. However I knew if I did not return to my earlier state of the Indwelling Holy Spirit I was lost, and perhaps in worse condition that my pre-born again condition. I hope this experience is helpful to someone out there.

Carleton

Hello again Carleton,

I actually read through your post a couple times. My thoughts are that the Holy Spirit never left you, even though you may have gone your own direction for a short time.

I believe that when we stray, God deals with us. I don't believe a true believer can ever separate themselves from God's Spirit who dwells in us. I believe that when we go off in our own direction, God's Spirit is still with us.

A true believer can not stray for very long because God's Spirit that lives in us brings conviction.

Although we can break our fellowship with the Lord, I don't believe His Spirit ever leaves us. Fellowship can be broken but the relationship as a child of God remains the same.

I've gone through periods in my walk with the Lord where I strayed from Him. But I know His Spirit never left me. And because His Spirit permanently abides in me, He brings conviction and deals with me, and that is why I always come back.

I personally don't believe salvation can ever be lost. God's Spirit indwells every believer. When we receive the Spirit, we receive Christ, and He has promised to never leave us nor forsake us.

All glory to God for bringing you back into fellowship with Christ. No matter how many times a believer strays, He will always be there to convict them and bring them back into perfect fellowship.

Im new to the online bible study, but reading the bible and knowing our Father i believe he is always there. We all fall, he picks us back up its rough at times but through Jesus we are forgiven

Hello Jesse, My work requires a few short nights of sleep and tonight is another one. Until tomorrow.

This website has been an encouragement for me in my Christian life this day. I wish all a nice rest.

Thank you!

Carleton

Amen to you Carleton ,i come on here to be encouraged and comforted in these dark times ,im sometimes conflicted as i see the end approaching ,a little nervous because i belive times are going to get tougher for most of us but mostly im very excited because Christ is coming !!! Theres no possible better future for any of us ,stay strong and rejoice !

Thank you Jesse for the encouragement! I have witnessed once before a born again member that (I can't remember the sin) that had fallen into some kind of sin and had been asked by the church to repent. It was near the time I became aware of his condition that he very much wanted restoration, he cried out earnestly for grace and claimed he was not finding it. Time went on for awhile and he felt he was not forgiven. Eventually, might have been a week or two or a month and the church with the brother's desire, separated him officially from the fold. The same night he went home and prayed and found forgiveness and peace. The following day he was re- accepted as a faithful full member of the church. This event is at least one of two that I have seen with my own eyes where clearly there was darkness then light again after once being born again.

Carleton

Carleton,

This reminded me of the man that was involved in sexual immorality in 1 Corinthians. This man was committing fornication with his step mother and the church was not doing anything about it. Paul gave them instruction that if he did not repent, they had to remove him from fellowship until he repented.

Well, they ended up removing him. But what happened is that after this man was removed and he repented, they didn't want to let him back in. When I read that they did not want to let him back in, I was a little humored by that. I thought to myself, "Here's a church that doesn't follow instruction very well!" Paul gave them instruction to let him back in. They wouldn't let him back in and Paul addressed that also in 2 Corinthians.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5:5 to deliver such a one unto Satan, notice this: for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

In Galatians Chapter 6, Paul says that if someone is overtaken by a sin, he says you who are spiritual, restore such a one. No matter what discipline is involved, it always must be to reach the goal of restoration.

I think the whole point is to deliver such a one over to Satan. If they want their sin, and they don't want to repent, but they still want to fellowship in the church, give them over to Satan.

Separate them from fellowship so that their flesh will be destroyed. But the goal is so that their spirit will be saved in the day of the Lord. So it's not punishment. It's for their own good. A saved person who is removed from the fellowship will not be able to stay away for very long before they repent.

You gave a great testimony of true repentance and how the church should deal with such a one involved in sin. I wish churches today would follow this teaching Paul gave instead of ignoring things in fear of losing members, or fear of getting sued.

I do have to say that this is the first time I ever heard of a brother or sister asking to be removed.

Thank you Jesse, I support what you have written. On Churches today, and I do not feel that it is wrong for a paid ministry and paid positions within a church, but it does make it very difficult to be obedient to some of the Church teachings read in the scriptures due to bias.

Carleton