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  • Gregory Watts on 1 Corinthians 1
    Am I correct in saying that Christ has freed us from the law, having fulfilled it on the cross, and triumphing over it openly putting it to shame. And that we are no longer under the law to keep it, because the law in Christ Jesus has freed us from the law of sin and death. And that we are made right with God by faith in His son Jesus Christ, not by keeping the law, and lastly if we could keep the law then Christ death is in vain??
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Hi Gregory, You are right but I would put it this way, Christ has freed us from the "curse" of the law, and that we are no longer under the "curse" of the law. Galatians 3:11-13. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth

    We was redeemed by his precious blood. Ephesians 1:7. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; We was purchased by his blood Acts 20:28, Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    We are forgiven but those sins wasn't, Jesus wasn't pardoned because he was the Christ, He had a debt to pay to the father, God is not a crooked judge, the penalty for those sins had to be paid, And he paid them on the cross. A good study on Romans Ch: 5, 6, 7, and 8 is very helpful on this topic.

    Thank you.
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    God gave mankind the Law which is the 10 commandments. Jesus death did not cancel Gods Laws.

    Jesus said in Matthew below:

    Matthew 5:17-18 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    The above is very easy to understand...if we want to understand it.

    There are many false preachers and religions today professing that we can ignore "The Law" which is the 10 Commandments, and live in sin, and as long as you believe in Jesus Christ it is ok.

    If it was this easy....we would all go to heaven, and we know this is not true, because Jesus said that few people will get to heaven.

    We need to believe in God, his Son Jesus Christ and do our very best to refrain from sin and follow God's Commandments.



    God Bless
  • Ron - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Jesus' death did not cancel the Law He fulfilled the Law. We must not confuse the commandments of Jesus and the law of Moses. The sacrifices of the Law "ye could not be justified by the law of Moses". The law is written in our hearts

    We are not justified by the laws but by the faith in Jesus, the things of the law we do through faith not works. If we look to the law to do the law that is works and we are not saved by works but we are saved by grace and belief in Jesus. Just a few scriptures, and few of Jesus's commandments are; Follow Him, Repent, Don't Lust, Love and pray for your enemies, Love one another, Love God, etc. I know you may not agree but the ten commandments are part of the Law.

    Gal.5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    Ephesians 2:15-16 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    Gal.2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    God blessings
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    The law is more than the ten comandments ,if you have read the old testament you know this and you know that there is no forgivness under the law ,are you circumcised ? If you are not and you think we are under the law then you had better get circumcised ,forgiveness is not permitted ,if you are married and your spouse commits adultery you are not permitted to forgive them even if you want to ,they must be stoned to death by you ,if you attempt to conceal your spouses breaking of the law you must be stoned also , i will say it again ,the law is more than the ten commandment ,if you have read the new testament you must realise that we are not under the law ,the ten commandments are excellent ,do i still have to honour my father and mother if they abuse me physically mentaly emotionaly day after day ? What if they are not even Christians ? What if my parents are satanists ? I either have to obey the whole law totally or i am under Gods grace .
  • Brother dan - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Jesus states the following:

    John 14:15

    "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    John 14:21

    "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

    John 15:10

    "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    As a true loving christian, how can we argue with what Jesus states about the commandments? In each of the verses above - Jesus uses the word "Love". Love embraces the 10 Commandments and we as loving Christians should be embracing the commandments with Love!

    God Bless
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Hello Sacha,

    Just to give a quick reply. Yes, the law is more than the Ten Commandments. The 613 Mitzvot laws which the Ten Commandments are in or from. As the Ten Commandments are not the whole law they are moral and eternal. Jesus preached them. There are many laws in the Mitzot that are moral, righteous, and still stand. As you stated about stoning people. Jesus Christ showed us , with the adulterous, that he does not condone this law. Or about washing hands before eating. A Nazarite to not eat fresh grapes or raisins seems foolish to me. Although thousands of years ago there was probably a reason for it.

    Just as there are many wise teachings throughout the Holy Bible that are not necessarily in the Mitzvot. Instead of thinking basically "it is the whole law or Gods grace". A lot of the "laws" in the Mitvot have God's grace in them. Some are "ritual" and I don't see the significance to them.

    Let us use our hearts. Always retain God in our thinking and may our Lord Jesus Christ lead the way. Amen.
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Gregory ,yes ,i belive your message to be accurate and correct ,Jesus is the fullfillment of the law ,the law of love ,love God love each other ,greater love hath no man than this that he lay down his life for his friends ,we are his friends if we belive in him and obey him ,the 1st two commandment are the greatest ,love God and each other ,there is no law that can stand against pure love .
  • Cindy - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    Before Christ laid down His life, the Israelites were under the law. That was it. They sacrificed animals for redemption of sin, which was an ongoing sacrifice.

    Christ came to fulfill the law, not destroy it. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.--Matthew 5:17, 18. As Jesus said, the law will not pass away. We are commanded by Him to keep His commandments (The same 10 Moses brought down from Mount Sinai). "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them."--Matthew 14:21

    To wit. The Israelites kept the law without option, really. The Christian keeps the law because he loves Christ.
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    The law was not just the ten commandments .
  • Cindy - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    I know. My bad.


 

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