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  • And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; simple words what does this mean. I think I know but want a confirmation.
  • S Spencer on 1 Corinthians 101-2 - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Hi Emma.

    1 Corinthians 10:1-2 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

    And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

    I think if we also take Hebrews 11:29 and connect the story to these 2 passages it may shed some light on your questions.

    Hebrews 11:29. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

    When Water Baptism is taken place we're professing being Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ and Baptized here in 1 Corinthians 10-2 is used the same way, The children of Israel is Identified with Moses when they crossed the red sea. "By faith they passed through the Red sea" By who's faith? their owns? NO "They crossed over by Moses faith " They was Identified with him. When we read the story we see they were scared, They wanted to go back to Egypt.

    They water had nothing to do with it, they went over on dry ground. Thank you,
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Just wanted to be sure about the cloud. I feel like under the cloud God's protection and heaven and passing though the water, as symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism.
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    It was symbolic of what was to come!. (which was Jesus) Thank you.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    You believe that Israel passing through the Red Sea might be a "symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism."

    However, they were baptized as followers of Moses, in the cloud and the sea and the spiritual meat and spiritual drink, but they failed to appropriate these blessings because they were idolatrous.

    "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness."1Co 10:5 (KJVA)

    This baptism has NOTHING to do about being a follower of Jesus. This kind of allegorical fabrication is dangerous, it is putting something into the text that's not there. You must read this passage Paul is writing to the church at Corinth, not just one verse, reading something into this verse that is not there!

    Despite the fact that they participated with Moses, immersed in these events, baptized in these great demonstrations of God's mighty power, they turned from God to idols and ALL that came out of Egypt perished in the wilderness, except for Joshua and Hur.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10

    In 1 Corinthians 10, at least the first 22 verses are a warning to the church about idolatry.

    In the first 4 verses, Paul uses several illustrative phrases:

    Under the cloud

    For the 40 years in the wilderness, from The Exodus from Egypt to the entrance into The Promised Land, God lead Israel in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night. So "under the cloud" meant God's guidance and protection in the wilderness.

    Through the sea

    When Israel exited Egypt, God caused the Red Sea to open so that they could cross over on dry land, through the sea. "Through the sea" an impossible barrier to freedom from slavery, was overcome by a miracle from God.

    Spiritual meat

    In the wilderness for 40 years, God provided for their physical needs. He gave them mana every morning except the Sabbath and quail. Food for physical sustenance.

    Spiritual drink

    When they ran out of water, God instructed Moses to strike a rock near mount Sinai and water came forth. Water for physical sustenance.

    Paul wrote these things...

    "Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."1Co 10:6
  • Emma - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 10
    Thank you for your comment but the Bible tells me in all thy getting, get understanding. I was talking nothing about Moses. I know the story I was simply verifying the cloud which was correct but for the rest you need to speak to God for understanding. Thank you. I pray that your eyes bee opened and your ears be open and your heart open to the spirit and what it says.

    It is not necessary to answer this because you simply just sent me the same message as before my second response. God bless.


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