Bible Discussion Thread

One of the meanings of His name, Jesus, is 'God Saves'.... But saves us, individually, from what? For those heretics who believe solely in the written word, even they must find the Gospel of Matthew convincing in Christ's references to his second coming and the inevitable division. Man knows the truth but cannot always persevere. Calvin was wrong, we are free to choose the truth to our dying breath as did the good thief on the cross. I think it fair to perfection to believe where ever He goes there is The Kingdom of God.

Greetings, Brian.

You asked what does Jesus saves us from.

I'm almost certain that you know many Scriptures like...

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."Joh 3:18

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Heb 9:27

We see that there is judgement and death awaiting those who are not trusting Jesus. So where does that judgement come from?

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."Joh 3:36

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;" Rom 1:18 (KJVA)

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom 5:9-10

...and there are many more verses, as I am sure you are aware. The wrath of God is the main and all-encompassing reason we need to be saved.

Hope this helps.

Thank you SkipVought for your reflections/insights into damnation and redemption. I believe in original sin. That the weight of original sin can only be lifted through baptism, water and spirit, as He explained to Nicodemus and Faith in Christ through the sacraments if available. I don't believe we are all saved, universalism is demonic, Anti-Christ. I say demonic because Universalism implies the Devil and his cohorts could also be saved which we know to be nonesense as spirits know God completely and so once turned would not want to return. Our blessed Lord explicitly states the two destinations a soul will ultimately reside on separation from the body. We are given free will to choose the right path, with God's grace, without which, as He said, there is no hope for man. He most certainly wants all souls to be saved but if that was a given there would be no need for the Incarnation and it would make a mockery of the Jewish faith Upto his arrival. He simply wants what he created to share eternal bliss with the triune Godhead but cannot ignore His own Justice. The church teaches us all to be in sanctifying grace so not to tempt the Lord our God. He came to save His own from eternal damnation.

Brian,

Thanks for your reply. As Mild Bill stated, your church tradition does not transcend The Holy Bible. Yes, in your church's opinion, I'm a heretic because I believe, as did Martin Luther, in Sola Scriptura. No church gets to interpret The Scriptures for everyone. The Holy Spirit guides us into The Truth.

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."Joh 16:13

Church traditions over the centuries have resulted in a number of unbiblical practices such as

prayer to saints and/or Mary,

the immaculate conception,

transubstantiation,

infant baptism,

indulgences, and

papal authority,

none of which can be justified from The Holy Bible.

Just so you're aware, as a Baptist, I don't believe that baptism saved or will save me, although I was baptized at age 12. By being baptized, I confessed that I had placed my trust in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, The Son of God to be my Savior from sin and death.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom 10:9-10

I'm glad that we can discuss these differences in our beliefs and evaluate the reasons why we believe what we believe. I try very hard, to act consistent with The Bible. Sometimes I fail.

Brian Downey,

"The church teaches"

You are on a Bible site where the Bible is the final authority on what God is communicating to mankind.

Therefore,"That the weight of original sin can only be lifted through baptism, water and spirit", sounds like what your church teaches, but not found in this Bible as the remedy for sin of any kind.

SkipVought quoted scripture and he is not heretical in believing it carries more veracity than your church teachings, as

I do also.