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  • Brett on Galatians 5
    What does it mean to inherit the kingdom of God? John 3:16 gives instructions on how to be saved but Galatians 5 gives different requirements to inherit the kingdom of God. Are they talking about the same salvation or is inheriting the kingdom of God different than salvation?
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Neither of the two Scripture tell you how to be saved, (born again) John 3:16, or Galatians 5. 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 tell us how to be saved during the age of grace. This is the Apostle Paul's Gospel, given to him by the Lord Jesus Christ to preach to the Gentiles.1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Charles R Peek,

    "Neither of the two Scripture tell you how to be saved"

    Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, however, you seem insistent on

    distinguishing your preference for 1Corinthians15. Now why is that? Why are

    you insisting a narrow view of what God uses to "save" lost people when God

    has provided so many verses that he uses to lead people to himself through

    his son? It seems to me your focus on this issue is to create a right and

    wrong way on the matter of what to tell lost people. Am I right about that?

    Suppose God chooses to begin leading a person to himself with Amos 4:12?

    Clearly the Lord Jesus left Nicodemus to ponder a second birth, and not

    the sign of Jonah, as he also said would be for Israel. God has never been

    limited to demonstrate grace in a particular age. Rather, it is we who make

    distinctions, for the purpose of distinguishing Gods revealed methods of

    demonstrating his presence in our time period on earth. The whole of God's

    word is for all people to see him as he wills it so. I understand

    dispensationalism to organize a view of Gods history with man, but his

    salvation work is not so limited in his sovereign exercise of gracious love.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Is it possible o believe in Vain... if so what are the requirements to believe , I believe that you can believe in Vain , if you do not understand from whom you receive salvation to begin with ... Grace is not a guarantee of salvation you can fall from grace if you justify your inability to rise above sin... and of course you must have had been given the authority too fulfill that vocation. And that authority is the baptism of the holy Ghost, with out instruction, or correction, by the word of God we can never understand the three Phases of salvation ,, IVE BEEN SAVED FROM MY PAST SINS, IM BEING SAVED FROM PRESENT SINS , AND I MUST ENDURE UNTIL THE END TO BE COMPLETELY SAVED. Ask your self this ? what is it that Jesus came to save to begin with ... Body , Soul , or Spirit.. there is only one answer.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Greetings, Brett, on the Lord's Day.

    John 3:16 tells us who Jesus was and what He accomplished, that whoever believes IN Him, shall not perish, but rather have everlasting life. Believing IN means putting your trust IN Jesus, His death and Resurrection, just Jesus ALONE, not Jesus PLUS other requirements.

    Galatians 5 talks about those "other requirements" that weigh people down in bondage. "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."Galatians 5:1. Read the whole chapter.

    He was warning them about Judiazers, that were telling believers that they had to keep the Mosaic Law. Paul was telling them that they don't have to keep the Mosaic Law, be circumcised or baptized or give to the church or go to church or ANYTHING added to saving faith in Jesus.

    Grace alone by Faith alone in Christ alone as instructed by The Scripture alone!
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Remember faith is a verb not a noun...
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Yes, but the accent is on the Antepenult
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    When i read the scripture , it tells me that we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH.... WE know that Grace is the Authority that enables us to overcome , we know that Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR the evidence of things NOT SEEN... James tells us that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.. The scripture tells us that we must have Grace to support our Faith .. Faith alone dose not secure our salvation WE must have works of the spirit We must grow up into Christ . Jesus said i am the Author and the Finisher of your faith.. HE WROTE THE BOOK. HE IS THE FOUNDATION, HE IS THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE, { In your patience posses ye your souls... }
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Steve Anderson

    "saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH"

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8&9

    You cut short that verse to construe it to your purposes. "and that(the faith)not of yourselves; it is the gift of God"

    Faith in God is a gracious gift of God.

    "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12:2 I believe that if you or I were the author of our faith it will finish badly.

    "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12 & 16:25

    Saved is not a condition whereby you are clinging to God, but he with you in his grasp.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Faith is not the gift my Brother .... GRACE is the gift.. Faith is the action in by which we over come ... and that faith is the faith of Jesus Christ. not of ourselves.. REMEMBER ITS NOT ABOUT US .. its not of any works that man can boast of its the works of the spirit of Jesus that makes the difference. We must put away this idea that we can tell God How to save us.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    "saved" is the gift: Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
  • Steve Leigh Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Your WRIGHT the gift is Eternal life ..but what is it .its more than just knowing his name
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Eternal life is immortality, in the world to come; in the kingdom of God. you live forever with Christ in Heaven.
  • Steve Leigh Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    there is only one that is in mortal eternal life is the baptism of the Holy Ghost the earnest of our inheritance
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    AND: The baptism of the Holy Ghost is received by believing the Gospel that Paul preached to the Gentiles. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" And I am speaking in this age, the age of Grace. So believe and be baptized, saved, born again.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Here is what God says you must believe to be saved (born again) during the Age of Grace. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" This is Paul's Gospel, and the Lord Jesus Christ sent Paul to preach to the Gentiles.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Galatians 5
    What was the Gospel that Paul was preaching to the Gentiles.... What was it that the Scribes and the Pharisees did not believe in .. ??

    Im sure you understand that it was more than just believing in a name it was more than the initial repentance,

    John baptized in water to bring us unto repentance mmm But Jesus was the one that baptizes with the Holy Ghost and with fire...

    What is the purpose of the three baptisms. ??????
  • Chris - in Reply on Galatians 5
    "Faith alone does not secure our salvation WE must have works of the spirit".

    Ephesians 2:8,9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

    I believe that it is by God's Grace through faith alone in Christ's finished Work that brings us salvation & nothing else. But works that FOLLOW faith, is the proof of the reality of that faith. Once works, or anything else, is added to God's Grace through faith, then it is no longer of Grace, but of works, "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Romans 11:6.

    If it was only my human faith, without God's Grace that undergirded & provoked me towards salvation, I would be in a pitiful state accounting that my generated faith alone was sufficient. Of ourselves, faith cannot succeed - we need the whole: God's Grace & Faith without any hint of human contribution towards it. But it may be that that was the intent of your statement. Blessings.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Galatians 5
    "What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."Romans 4:1-5 (KJVA)

    We are JUSTIFIED (DECLARED righteous [we don't BECOME righteous] before God, saved, a ONE TIME EVENT) by FAITH ALONE (no works allowed) in Christ alone.

    We are being SANCTIFIED (A CONTINUING PROCESS). Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. By their fruits ye shall know them. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


 

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