Bible Discussion Thread

  • NicholasB on Ephesians 2
    Hello brothers and sisters. I'm asking a question about Salvation. I'm a new Christian. I have a KJV bible and have been reading it everyday in depth trying learn more of what I must due to be truly saved as well as my Catholic wife. It has been brought to my attention that in the book of John, water baptism is different from a spiritual baptism? I know I am not Jewish and so I don't think a water baptism applies to me to be saved, after reading Ephesians by Paul. It seems to me that maybe churches that say I must be baptized in water to be saved is false? I'm new to Christianity, and I'm asking due to my ignorance of understanding the bible. I know that Jesus was coming to save the Jews and so maybe their Salvation is different from Gentiles, aka Me and my wife? I would love to have someone let me know how to truly be saved because I suffered spiritual attacks from being a philosopher and learning about eastern religions and free masonry. Thank you!
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    I am also a truth seeker. I am not one to declare myself wise to say that there is a right way to salvation. But i am not a fan of religious traditions concerning how many people worship Jesus through idolatry. I will advise you to ask God with all your heart to guide you to your answers through his written words. Wherever you may find them . God will always confirm what is his truth . I do not dismiss the importance of the death of Jesus, but even the scriptures of what Jesus declares clearly says to not worship him. That the laws of Moses and the commandments should not be forgotten.

    I love the Lord my God with all my heart and soul. I fear to follow any religious traditions that i can not understand. Especially when it comes down to man made images. This is just my belief. My blind faith.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Connie ,i think i understand what you are getting at ,i have always been very suspicious about taking any ones word for anything ,when i wanted to learn about God i didnt ask any one i just got myself a Bible and started reading ,please remember that the Bible was provided for us in order to help us draw closer to and learn about God ,He wants us to get to know Him by reading it ,blind faith may be ok but we dont need to be blind when we have Gods words to guide us .
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Sacha thank you for understanding. When i say " blind faith" it means that when i call upon God for understanding i rely on how the scriptures are shown to me without looking for a certain scripture to justify what I have been told to believe. I can not begin to understand what no man can declare to understand. God has always been present in my life. In a personal way. His living word has been my guide for my blind faith to accept what he has set in front of me. A choice to love the Lord God and have no other equal to or above him. To obey the commandment and not question it, blind faith to search out God's word for personal accounting of my own thoughts and declarations. This i will be judged by. As in this

    22But what is commanded thee, think thereupon with reverence, for it is not needful for thee to see with thine eyes the things that are in secret.23Be not curious in unnecessary matters: for more things are shewed unto thee than men understand.24For many are deceived by their own vain opinion; and an evil suspicion hath overthrown their judgment.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Connie,

    Connie no one is putting trust in man I hope, But we do trust in God to reveal his truth by man and in man.

    If the truth is in man it is the Lord that speaks through him and if the Lord is in you, you will hear him. and He don't have nothing to say that he haven't said in his word. """ THE INSPIRED SCRIPTURE"""

    see here

    John 10:27 (KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    Now If it is not the Lord in him that speaks

    The Holyspirit will reveal that also.

    ( by the scriptures ) see here

    John 10:5 (KJV) And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

    The scripture commands us to teach one another, a full revelation might come from separate individuals. (by the scriptures)

    see here

    1 Corinthians 3:6. I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

    or it may come from one person

    Romans 10:14-15 (KJV) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    And please be careful using uninspired material.

    Thank you
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Also, your use of the phrase "he wrote his law for her life she would abide..", sounds like you think being good enough saves you.

    This makes me very sad. I wrote this to honor God. To share with you how my heart seeks to return to God my works to preserve the testimony of my trials and tribulations i have been presented with from my childhood to my loss of innocence as an adult to be accountable for my life. I am not worthy nor self righteous. I am constantly told that my love for God is not going to save me from my sins. What sin is it to say that God is my guide?

    Did Noah not have blind faith to build the ark when he was tasked to it?

    I tirelessly and persistently search the written words of the prophets of old and even to this day these words are written by everyone here of their own testimony.

    I keep my own journals of how my disobedience did not go unpunished. How my choices are my choices. The doors that I walked through out of my sinful temptations , adultery, drug addiction and so much more are not closed behind me. I can turn back to it if i choose to. But my own works will not save me, nor will you be saved by them..

    but I am wise enough to choose God and say that i just don't know any other reason for Jesus to die if not so i can live and love the Heavenly Father as my one true God.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Connie

    May I ask you, What is blind faith? Is it faith that comes from hearing? or is it faith that comes without hearing?
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    S Spencer my blind faith is to trust God for his guidance in understanding of scriptures and to accept that some things I am unable to understand.

    Like my faith is not movable on my set belief that God is unexplainable in my vocabulary.

    I can only trust that tug that i feel in my heart and soul.

    My Bible is old and worn . I am an adult survivor of child trafficking. I have seen the most unGodly cruelties of mankind upon children that still exists today. I have seen how evil sets itself up in places working for the good guys so to speak.

    I am not bitter nor do i blame or judge the many good people for the actions of the few.

    I do not know what happens when I die , but i have read that when i die it is to late to seek God. So I seek God while I am alive. I fear my judgment day . I know that I am going to have to answer for my actions.

    I am not seeking nor asking for forgiveness of a sin if i can not refrain from the actions that offend God.

    So I ask for guidance about not being able to refuse to work on the sabbath day because of the job that I give God thanks to have. Yet man judges me for not being at church.

    But the scriptures comfort me because i do set a time to honor God. This is what i call my blind faith. To see the world and hear what is said and just trust God to help me understand.

    With or without the approval of man . I fear judgment. I live a life that I can proudly say is moral and kind. I am not without sin. But I trust God to guide me. Understand?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Connie.

    No one knows all there is to know of the scripture, we grow as we study his word, and we learn from others, some scripture is clear and should bring us comfort not fear, If your trust in your salvation is " COMPLETELY " in Christ finish work on the cross YOU HAVE NO NEED OF FEAR OF JUDGEMENT he gave us comfort in his word.

    Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    Here is one for the sabbath and anything else one would think he or she need to add to Christ finish work on the cross.

    Colossians 2:13-15. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    Our faith come from hearing INSPIRED scripture! And we can trust in Christ alone, not our experiences. Thank you.
  • Sach - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    I agree ,so many people have told me about their 'mystical experiences ' and when i ask them about where they were or what they were doing more often than not they will say something like ' i had just woke up ' or 'i was just drifting off to sleep when ...' i would never dare to disparrage any ones genuine belief in their personal revelations , i believe God does speak to us ,i also believe that when He does He does not leave us with even the tinniest bit of doubt that it is Him speaking .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Sacha,

    I definitely believe in experiences, but I believe sometimes they are for you to keep in memory are a testimony but experiences is not confirmation. Salvation is by grace

    " through faith " The second death is what he saves us from. The only experience we needed to see was Christ raised from the Dead. The antichrist Christ will come with all kinds of Miracles and wonders and decieve many. We can trust simply trust Christ Words. Believe tho in me?
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2

    "I am also a truth seeker. I am not one to declare myself wise to say that there is a right way to salvation."

    So instead of the "straw people of faith" that you oppose, you see yourself "wise" in having no declaration of how and who God saves. You even quote another writer in the expectation that you are thereby justified. In fact, you have established your own idol/feeling that you take comfort in. Your description of where you stand implys that you have the truth, despite any question put to you about what it is you have. Effectively, you have, sadly, stopped seeking.

    So here you are on the KJV website and when other people describe what they see from scripture on the truth of how and who God saves, you don't have to consider those words.

    "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12 and Proverbs 18:17 Stated twice in God's word to make it clear that the "right way" is important to God and to everyone who cares to hear what he has written, of course, except you. Blind faith is, blindness.

    Connie, Are you saved of God and how has he done this for you? "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you" 1Peter 3:15
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    This is the love of God sewn in my heart. These are the words that God has given me. I return these words to God and show you how much I love God and how i constantly seek him out for myself. I am here to share my simplicity of how God has touched my life. I have never been wise.

    The smallest of all three me's

    is in my youngest memories..

    In the green pastures i will forever find her there ...

    Beside the still waters she plays without a care...

    By her tiny right hand God led her to this place...

    He let her little body fall

    And set a choice all Gods children face...

    No words were spoken by her Heavenly Father that fleshy ears would hear...

    Her soul was gathered in God's love that innocently was without fear...

    He gave her the choice of live or to die..

    She chose to live and she told her Heavenly Father why..

    She knew by death ... here she would remain..

    In the presence of God's love .. no words can explain..

    She answered

    "i would like to live so i can play"

    God restored her soul. By his gift of life. the very breath she breathed..

    Where she had fallen as dead upon the grass ..

    Her first death has come to pass...

    God opened her eyes

    She was able to see...

    There was no veil to divide....

    God opened her ears to hear.. upon her heart he wrote his law for her life she would abide..

    He planted a seed and its hidden in her heart...

    Such a gift found in the words she sews....

    In Gods love she continues to grow..

    C. L. Ford
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2

    You say,"I am constantly told that my love for God is not going to save me

    from my sins." Your description of your love for God leaves out what knowing

    God produces in the mind and heart of believers, namely, his love for you.

    You say you know him as a guide and suddenly you confess wisdom to choose


    "This is my where my relationship with God began." The experience you describe

    is indeed awful, and in surviving it you could attribute that to the mercy of

    God, but it does not indicate/or merit eternal salvation. After all, as you

    said," I can turn back to it if i choose to." Maybe you've had what is

    recognized as a "foxhole confession", Oh God get me out of here and I'll

    believe in you. That's rational thinking, but it is the will of the flesh and

    not salvation. So now you profess two beginnings with God, both pre-Jesus.

    "I fear judgment. I live a life that I can proudly say is moral and kind.

    I am not without sin. But I trust God to guide me. Understand?"

    Yes I do and so do others on this site. It is no accident that you are here

    and talking about salvation. Salvation is traditional only because it is the

    same for everyone, only through trust in the death of Jesus for your sins.

    You can't earn it and nobody deserves it. When I said you don't mention his

    love for you, that is evident in that you "fear" judgement. You seem to

    prefer a "blind faith" that somehow things will just work out for you.

    God and his plan for salvation is understandable and that's what you are

    being pointed to by myself and others on this site.

    On the top of the opening page of this site is a menu selection called

    more. On that page is a selection called "How to become a Christian".

    There salvation is spelled out for you or anyone to understand.
  • Rod - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Connie, I just read your story, and had to read it a number of times and can only imagine some of the trauma you must have suffered as a child, what you call blind faith I would call faith, that of a child, by your own admission your love for God is first in your life, and this is what God asks of us. Thank you and God Bless

    Matthew 5:3-18 Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled."

    Matthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

    Matthew 22:36-39 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2

    "I am here to share my simplicity of how God has touched my life. I have

    never been wise."

    In your own words, you say God appeared to you when you were a small child and offered you life or death and you chose life, because continuing to play was your motive for choosing life. You describe being slain and restored to life and God writing his law in your heart which remains as a hidden seed slowly growing. I am supposing that, that makes you a truth seeker.

    So your entire relationship with God is based on that personal experience. A pre-Jesus event in your life, unique to you, that connected your childhood mind with who you thought was God. Of course, that is something you cannot prove. However, trusting the eternal destiny of your soul to that event is absolutely unwise.

    After all, your mind was childlike and intent on continuing to play, even in the face of what you describe as a life and death choice.

    Never been wise, or as you said in your previous post, to declare yourself wise. I see that as a misleading claim and something you want to hide behind. Other posts show you have already made decisions on scriptural subjects and find fault with others who differ with you. Scriptures not only guide hearts but brains also.

    I can't dispute your being "touched", but your being saved is highly questionable if you maintain the claim of a

    pre-Jesus assurance of salvation.

    Also, your use of the phrase "he wrote his law for her life she would abide..", sounds like you think being good enough saves you.
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    I am a surviving member of yesterday's thrown away children. I was taken , transported, bought, sold, enslaved, beaten, raped, and thrown away like trash to die.

    I have endured, overcome, accepted , and witnessed the most unGodly cruelties of mankind upon children. I survived by the will of God and God alone saved me as others fell where I stood.

    This is my where my relationship with God began. I do not consider myself perfect and I am responsible for my actions as an adult. When men stand up in name of Christianity and charity ( not all mankind but those who do) and continue to do this very day , it , as a child i witnessed and associated it with the crosses these men wore around their necks.

    So tell me if you can why my love for God is so wrong? What scriptures can you give to me and all the children taking my place? Our worlds are so different. There is a great evil in the hearts of men .. so It was God and God alone who saves me. Saves My life.. and my soul belongs to him..
  • Wayfaring Stranger - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    About you saying that the bible says not to worship Jesus... uhm Jesus Christ is God.

    He says in John 14:1 (KJV)

    "John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."

    Another scripture

    Hebrews 1:1-6

    "[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. [5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. "

    Colossians 1:15-20 (KJV)

    "[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. [18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. [19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; [20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

    Trying to have a blind faith isn't good, what we really have to do is to search the scriptures (study it !).
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Dear Connie, You are right in that we shouldn't worship images, but don't let that turn you from the truth. There is a right way to salvation, In fact there is only one way!! And here it is -

    John 14:6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it..

    We don't hesitate to believe that.
  • Chris - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Brother Nicholas, welcome to the family of God, born through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ & the indwelling Holy Spirit. It's always a joy to hear of a searching soul being freed from the shackles of religion, even vain philosophies & the Masons, & finding new Life & Hope in Christ alone. If you've come by way of the Cross of Christ, admitted your sinful irreparable condition to God, trusted in the Blood of Christ to cleanse your heart & through His death being made acceptable to God, then God's Word & Spirit declare you to be saved, freed, & accepted forever. It not only comes as a sure Word from God (John 8:36), but also the witness to your heart that you have God's Spirit indwelling & that your life has taken a new course & you will think & do things very differently. And I'm sure this witness is ever before your wife.

    When we're born again, we're immediately baptized in & by the Holy Spirit. He sets His Seal upon you (Ephesians 1:13,14) marking you out as God's very own & you now have all the resources of Heaven at your disposal (for teaching, directing, comfort, answered prayer, strength in troubles, power against the spiritual forces) - but only when we fully trust Him & not waiver in faith. But this increases in our Christian walk & proving Him faithful in every situation.

    Water baptism is simply an outward testimony of an inward change. It is confirmation to your own heart & against the forces of evil that will make you doubt that great event in your life, & is a testimony to others of your departure from all that bound you, to the freedom now in Christ. So yes, water baptism is different from Spirit baptism, but it should follow what has been done within you, as soon as you are able to. Join a good Bible-believing Church & immediately share your testimony with the Pastor/Elder, so that your faith & stand for Christ is shown to all. Btw, Jewish baptism was primarily as 'washings' necessary in the faith & not of the same meaning as Christian baptism.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2

    I thought the following passage might be of interest to you.It is from Philippians 3:3-12 "For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.Though I might also have confidence in the flesh.If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh,I more: circumcised the eighth day,of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin,an Hebrew of the Hebrews;as touching the law,a Pharisee;concerning zeal,persecuting the church;touching the righteousness which is in the law,blameless.

    But what things were gain to me,those I counted loss for Christ.Yea doubtless,and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:for whom I have suffered the loss of all things,and do count them but dung,that I may win Christ,and be found in him,not having mine own righteousness,which is of the law,but that which is through the faith of Christ,the righteousness which is of God by faith;that I may know him,and the power of his resurrection,and the fellowship of his sufferings,being made conformable unto his death;if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.Not as though I had already attained,either were already perfect:but I follow after,if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus."

    What Paul is saying is that all the things he had in his life as related to him and God,became just so much dung,in comparison to what he has now received in Christ.He was starting anew and this time in the truth of God.Chris has spoken well to you,and born again starts anyone onward and into an experience of growing closer to God through study of his word.

    I would encourage you to be patient with your wife in regards to your&her salvation.As husband you are to love her unconditionally,as God loved you.Love is not based on a feeling,but instead a commitment.Baptism is only an outward witness of an inside event.
  • Connie - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Thank you for your reply but you misunderstood my comment.

    I do believe in Jesus. I called out to God to help me understand why I felt differently about the way religious traditions have dismissed the fact that the worship of the image of a cross is idolatry.

    If you sayJesus is God , then how is my decision to love God as my Heavenly Father so wrong?

    The Esdra 2 book

    18Nevertheless the righteous shall suffer strait things, and hope for wide: for they that have done wickedly have suffered the strait things, and yet shall not see the wide.

    19And he said unto me. There is no judge above God, and none that hath understanding above the Highest.

    20For there be many that perish in this life, because they despise the law of God that is set before them.

    21For God hath given strait commandment to such as came, what they should do to live, even as they came, and what they should observe to avoid punishment.

    This is my blind faith . To not try to understand what no man can declare to understand. . This is my fear of offending God. Thank you for your support.


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