Bible Discussion Thread

I want you to give me all the verses that talk about fornication (premarital sex) because i want to show an atheist that it is a sin. Thank you use my email.

I would start with Romans 1 (if this person is a secular homosexual sodomite)

Fornication, in the Bible, is not just pre-marital sex, but any type of sexual behaviour that is outside of marriage. So the teaching from Jesus, the Apostles & all of Scripture is that any sexual activity outside the bounds of marriage is sin before God as sex was made for the enjoyment & bringing forth of a new life within the sanctity of marriage. In any other situation, it becomes an abuse of God's design & therefore, sin.

Some Scriptures for you to share: Matthew 15:19,20: all sin (some listed here), first starts in the heart of man & when it is conceived there, it brings forth sin & sin ultimately ends in death & judgement.

Romans 1:27-32: speaks of homosexuality & all manner sin that God let men loose to perform because of their wickedness & ultimately will face His Judgement.

1 Corinthians 5:1: the fornication of a son having sexual relations with his step-mother.

1 Corinthians 6:13: our bodies were made to serve God not to serve the flesh (sensuality & abominable acts).

1 Corinthians 6:18: fornication is sin against one's own body. He or she abuses the privilege of an act within marriage by disregarding its special position in committed love & as a gift of God.

1 Corinthians 10:8: 23,000 people were judged & destroyed by God because of their fornication.

Galatians 5:19-21: lists the works of the flesh; all who engage in these sins will never enter God's Presence.

Jude 7: the example of Sodom & Gomorrah is given where many were given over to fornication, homosexuality & other sins & were destroyed by God.

These are a few pertinent Scriptures for you to use, but if you're talking to an atheist who doesn't even believe in the existence of God, you would need to tell him/her about the reality of God through Creation, His sustaining of the worlds in space, His creation of humans with all their biological intricacies, His Love for all but judgement to those who spurn His Love & live selfish, sinful lives. We were made to find pleasure in God - not in sin.

It does help to have a correct definition of fornication.

The New Testament Greek Lexicon

For the word fornication

This lexicon has been developed to aid the user in understanding the original text of the Greek Old and New Testament. By using the Strong's version of the King James and New American Standard Bibles, a deeper knowledge, of the passage being studied, can be gained.

Strong's Number: 4202 porneia

Original Word Word Origin

porneia from (4203)

Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling

Porneia por-ni'-ah

Parts of Speech TDNT

Noun Feminine 6:579,918

Definition Includes: illicit (forbidden) sex, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

Illicit means not allowed, improper, prohibited. Ora and anal sex is prohibited for all humans.

God tells us that the body is not made for fornication. "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification that ye should abstain from fornication, 1 Thess 4:3." The reason a person abstains from fornication in order to be holy is because fornication is the sin that makes a person unholy - unlike God.

In 1 Corinthians 6:13 it declares, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord." The human body is not made for fornication and that includes the bodies of a man and his wife.

Here is how Fornication is defined in the Greek pulled from the Gospel of Mark 7:21. :

Transliteration: porneia

Pronunciation: por-ni'-ah

Definition: From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

KJV Usage: fornication(26x).

Occurs: 26

In verses: 25.

Here is how Fornication is defined in the Hebrew in Isaiah 23:17.Hebrew:

Transliteration: znh

Pronunciation: zaw-naw'

Definition: A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the {female} and less often of simple {forniciation} rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit {fornication} X {continually} X {great} (be {an} play the) {harlot} (cause to {be} play the) {whore} ({commit} fall to) {whoredom} (cause to) go {a-whoring} whorish.

KJV Usage: ...harlot(36x), go a whoring(19x), ...whoredom(15x), whore(11x), commit fornication(3x), whorish(3x), harlot(withH802)(2x), commit(1x), continually(1x), great(1x), whore's(withH802)(1x).

Occurs: 94

In verses: 82.

THESE ARE PULLED FROM THE STRONGS!!

IT APPEARS YOU HAVE DOCTORED THE DEFINITION TO PROMOTE YOUR VIEWS. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WAS WAITING AND HOPING FOR TRUTH??