Bible Discussion Thread

  • Elison Capulla on Ephesians 2
    How did Adam and Eve's children get a wife?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Elison, The way you addressed you question you have the order of creation correct. God started with Adam and Eve. If they had other people on earth whats the point in forming Adam from the dust of the ground?

    ( Genesis 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ) And why go through the trouble of taking a rib from Adam to make woman?

    In this next verse you see Adam is all alone.

    Genesis 2:18. ( And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.)

    In this next verse he makes woman!!

    Genesis 2:21-22. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    And then he commanded them to populate the earth.

    ( Genesis 1:28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: ) notice this next verse, Eve is the mother of ""ALL"" living.

    Genesis 3:20. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

    So we come to their Children.

    In order to do what God commanded, it's reasonable to believe Adam and Eve had daughters and they populated the earth through their children. I don't understand why people see that's a problem with God!! We do know the world we live in now started with just 8 souls. I hope that helps
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    I don't believe Adam and Eve were the only two people on earth. They are alone in their story to show that sin began with a man and his wife and not with two men or two women. There were other people for their children to marry. This ends the confusion about how the earth was populated.
  • Rod - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Until Adam and Eve had sons and daughters they were the first two people on earth as per scripture.

    Marilyn you say that "I don't believe Adam and Eve were the only two people on earth". do you have scripture to support that.

    Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hi Rod,

    No, there are no scriptures that support that there were more people on earth than Adam and Eve. The scriptures you present only tells us how God made male and female. This is true for all humans. All of us come from dust and go back to dust. It does not say he only made two. I do not believe one married couple can produce the population we now have. I do not believe that the children of Adam and Eve married each other and reproduced. It is more logical to believe there were other people for them to marry.

    This is just how I see it, and it doesn't change good or evil. It doesn't change God, but it does explain that Adam's children did not marry each other.

    Adam and Eve are standing alone and that does tell us sin began with a man and his wife. All of humanity needs to know what that sin was.
  • Rod - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    When I read my KJV bible it tells me to believe as a child, and so I do believe, in Revelation 22:18-19 it tells me not to add nor subtract from the words written in this book, and I don't. When you say "It is more logical to believe there were other people for them to marry." you ignore the fact of; who then created them, or where were they from, did they also sin like Adam and Eve or were they sinless, and so many more unanswered questions. After they disobeyed God and eat of the fruit of the tree, and sinned in the garden, scripture tells us in Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." then, as per your logic, scripture must be wrong. Then I must agree with Paul when he says "God forbid". Noah and his family would have had a similar situation, only with four families instead of one as Genesis 7:6-13 Noah was six hundred years old at the time of the flood, Also Lot in Genesis 19:30-38

    I've had similar conversations with some of my friends over the years, we need to understand that, all these events happened prior to the law being given to Moses, and for these events happening as scripture says it does, and as per God's plan, I believe. I do hope this helps.

    1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Yes, we are told not to change the Bible. Not to change one dot or one title of the word of God. Yet, we have many, many, many new versions of the Bible that have removed the word fornication. Even the New King James has reduced the number of times it is used from 32 to 12 and removed it from Jude. You should look up the NIV and see how they have changed the scriptures. You can search it on the internet.

    However, when the blind lead the blind much of what the blind believe is not the truth. The Bible tells us those in Sodom and Gomorrah are God's lying children and when we look at the Christianity of today many denominations will marry and ordain the gays. No truth is being spoken in those denomination. Which denomination is telling truth? Is there one?

    God said he had to shorten a day or no flesh would be saved. Are we close to God having to shorten a day or no flesh will be saved?
  • Rod - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    When you say we are told not to change the bible, I'm happy that we agree on something, when you talk of the many different bible versions, I'm also aware that there is, but chose to only read the KJV, I'm sure they're meant to be more relevant to today's english but as in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many, just by changing a few words. Fornication is most certainly a terrible sin throughout society today and also in biblical times, and is mentioned 35 times in the KJV but when you look at Romans 1:20-32 and Galations 5:14-26 it is only one of many sins of the flesh. "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents," to name just a few. John 8:3-11 Jesus forgive a woman caught in adultery, John 4:6-43 the Samaritan woman at the well living in fornication was one of the first women evangelist. Luke 18:10-14 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." he was not justified, Luke 23:43 the first person Jesus took to paradise was a thief on the cross. Sin in whatever form is evil in God's eyes, but I'm sure your well aware of that. Just as God judged the people in Sodom and Gomorrah and in Noah's day, I try (sometimes I fail) to let God judge the transgressors of today, and focus on the narrow road to the cross for my Salvation. Because as in Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." we don't want to turn into that pillar of salt.

    Some of my favorite scripture to help me keep things in perspective is the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount, and also Luke 10:27-37 the story of the good Samaritan.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

    Not of works, lest any man should boast.

  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Marilyn Taplin,

    "no flesh will be saved?"

    Are you now saved, or will you be saved? And how do you understand that all to come about?
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hello Mild Bill,

    If God dose not shorten a day no flesh will be saved. All people are born righteous and die when they sin. Satan's people kill the righteous with sin. Job's wife wanted Job to die and be like her. 9,000 men have filed law suits against the Boy Scouts for molesting them. They were killed when they were molested. The Catholic priest molested children and the children died a spiritual death. This is going on much more than we think. Our radio, television and movies are spreading same sex activity. People die a spiritual death when committing unnatural sex. So look at our society today. How many are spiritually dead? If God doesn't shorten this present (day) time no flesh will be saved.

    But he will come and save all those who have died. The truth will slay the wicked. Put the first coming of Jesus in the last days. That is when he is promised---Isaiah 2;2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the Lord's house shall be established....and all nation shall low unto it." All people will return to God.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    My take is that Jobs wife was giving him bad advice, wanting to put an end to the suffering. She didn't have the answers and if I'm not mistaking Job never got an answer either. Never knew what was going on behind the scene.

    And no one was born righteousness but Jesus. He was a quickening spirit. ""the second Adam""

    The first Adam was a living soul, we come into this world a son of Adam. That's why we have to be born again, ""Meaning born from above"" Then we will be born of that life giving spirit.

    Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. This is done by the baptism of the Holyspirit.

    What hurts the Church today is the apostasy, The things we suffer to enter the Church and draw people away from the truth.

    There are people in the Church that think we have to prepare the way for Christ return. Some abandon the truth for their on agenda.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    How can you say no one is righteous? Job is perfect and upright and he fears God. Job 2:3. The fear of God is to hate evil. Job hated evil. Job 1:1 "Job...was perfect and upright and feared god."

    Job 2:9 "Then said (1) his wife unto him, Doest thou still retain thine integrity? curse God , and die." The cross reference (1) sends me to Genesis 3:6 where Eve eats of the tree of good and evil and so did Adam. Job's wife said the same as Eve said to Adam. But Job said, "thou speakest as one of the foolish women." He know who the foolish people were. The foolish are speaking of those given to unnatural sex as stated in Romans, professing to be wise they became fools. Job would not join his wife in foolish. Noah was perfect, Genesis 6:9 "Noah was a just man and perfect."

    The just have wisdom:

    Characteristics of the just:

    Pro. 10:20, "The tongue of the just is as choice silver"

    Pro. 10:31, "The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom."

    Pro. 4:18, "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the

    perfect day

    Psalms 7:9, "Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins." When an unjust person returns to God they will be justified, made just again.

    I have a partial list of those in the Bible who are just and perfect.


    Noah in the Ark

    Lot when delivered















    John the Baptist


  • SkipVought - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    How is a man justified, made right before God?

    Not by self effort:

    "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."Romans 3:19-20 (KJV)

    We are justified by His grace:

    "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"Romans 3:24 (KJV)

    We are justified by faith alone in Christ:

    "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."Romans 3:28 (KJV)

    Abraham was declared as righteous:

    "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."Romans 4:3 (KJV)

    But clearly, Abraham sinned. He lied on several occasions about his relationship with Sarah to save his hide, for instance.

    King David was a man after God's heart. But he was an adulterer and a murderer.

    Every day, every Christian sins by commission or omission things we think, say, do, don't say or don't do. But we have an advocate with The Father: Jesus Christ The Righteous One. He is The Only Righteous One.

    When we put our trust in Jesus to be our Savior from the penalty of our sin, we are DECLARED RIGHTEOUS, JUSTIFIED. It's an Already But Not Yet thing. We ought to be walking by The Spirit more and more to become more like Him. This process is called Sanctification. One day we will be Glorified: given new bodies and new natures that cannot sin. Until then, we are sinners, saved by grace. Before we believed, we could only sin. As believers we can "will" to sin or to do His good pleasure.

    "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Yes, we are justified by his grace. Grace means kindness, favor, mercy etc. God is good. He will be kind to the unjust people. To be purified is to be made pure. And to be justified is to made just. Jesus comes to teach the unjust to return to being just. He tells us to return to God and God will return to you. He does not tell us we can continue to sin and he will cover for us. The just have wisdom. The unjust are void of wisdom, they are foolish. When the foolish people are justified, made just, they will have wisdom.

    This world need some wisdom.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1:6-10

    The truth is that every day, many times a day, we sin. This is why when Jesus was washing the feet of His disciples...

    "Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean."John 13:6-11

    Peter and the other disciples except Judas were all born again (washed all over) but because in our daily walk we sin and need to confess our sins (wash our feet), thus Jesus replied "He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean"
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Jesus gave his life , to make a way for us to rise above sin, to walk in newness of life , without hypocrisy , without Guile, seeking the provision of God... in all things. There must be a death that takes place and that is the death of the old man, this death is spiritual not natural although we know that we must put off this tabernacle ,for it is nothing but dust, and to dust it shall return, we must put off the old wine skin, we must mortify the Deeds of this flesh ,
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    "Marilyn Taplin,

    " All people are born righteous and die when they sin." According to Marilyn Taplin.

    Have you remained righteous or did you die too? In describing your thoughts on the subject it is important for us to understand how you fit into this teaching of yours.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    You want to know how I fit in to what I teach.

    First believe the Bible when it says, God will conclude the world with no belief in God. And it says only a remnant are not like S&G, which includes all those given to oral and anal sex. A remnant is left at the end, so at the end there will be only a few who are not like S&G. I stand with the remnant.

    The remnant are the just and those in S&G are the unjust. The unjust are foolish and have departed from wisdom. They are not wise.

    The just are wise.

    Pro. 10:20, "The tongue of the just is as choice silver"

    Pro. 10:31, "The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom."

    Pro. 4:18, "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the

    If we are in the last days only a few people are not like those in S&G. The Christianity of today was made by the foolish people and they tell us no wisdom. Proverbs 14:2 "He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the Lord: but he that is PERVERSE in his ways despiseth him." They are haters of God.

    Genesis 6:9, "Noah was a just man.

    2 Pet 2:7 " And delivered just Lot."

    Mark 6:20, "For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man."

    Acts 10:22, "And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God." He hated evil.

    Zechariah 9:9, Jesus is just. "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation" Jesus brings wisdom.

    2 Sam. 23:3, "The God of Israel said, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God." The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.

    The rulers over our land should be just. The leaders within the church should be just. Do you see just people ruling our land and the Church?
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Marilyn Taplin,

    " I stand with the remnant. "

    Your "stand" is a classic example of self-righteousness. That "stand" is you

    willing yourself into departing from evil, thereby living right before God and

    self-justified in your actions. Repent of your works based plan and trust God.

    The ten commandments condemn everyone, you included. Deciding not to do

    one or any of the sins does not negate "all have sinned and fallen short of the

    glory of God" Romans 3:23 Salvation is a work through the sinless life of the

    only begotten Son of God, dying the death sinners deserve, whereby God is

    then Sovereign in his graciousness to impute righteousness to those who

    trust they are saved by his grace alone. You have no power to forgive

    yourself of your sin. To be minded otherwise is a serious affront to God.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Are you saying no one will stand in the remnant? Then there will be no remnant. Yet we are told there will be a remnant who are not like Sodom and Gomorrah. "Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and ye should have been like unto Gomorrah." Isaiah 1:9.

    A remnant is a small portion of the original left at the end. I did not say those who make up the remnant are perfect. I say they are not sexually perverse. No one in that group committed oral or anal sex. If you were to place David in that picture in the last days he would stand with the remnant. David's adultery does not place him in S&G. David did not depart from God to serve Satan. His sin was a sin and not a trespass. He broke one of the Ten Commandments we are familiar with. The other set is called the Law. Whenever the law is used in the singular it is speaking of a trespass. Those who trespass cross over the line. They go too far. They depart from God to serve Satan.

    Psalms 119:1, "Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the Law of the Lord.'

    Proverbs 14:2, "He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the Lord: but he that is PERVERSE in his ways despiseth him." They are haters of God.

    Proverbs 28:7, "Whosoever keepteth "the law" is a wise son." Of course the opposite of that is; if you disobey you are one of the foolish one. The sexually perverse are said to be foolish.
  • Peggy - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Dear Marilyn Taplin,

    The group of end-time purists you describe are the 144,000 sealed from death, during the beasts short rule. The house of Israel and the house of Judah are the two witnesses that stand before God. They are the two olive trees and two candlesticks. These elect are hated so much that their dead bodies will lay 3.5 days in the street, then, taken up at the 7th trumpet.

    Also, the reason for the "days being cut short" is due to the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord strike: Mystery Babylon & the Babylonian system is dramatically taken in under 1 hour; made a desolate wilderness. The attack is so powerful, it knocks the earth off its axis (Isaiah 24:20) causing 1/3rd sun light removed. The darkness ensures the elects survival, like the woman in Revelation 12 holds on.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Hello Peggy

    Sorry for the delay.

    Isaiah 1:9, "Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and ye should have been like unto Gomorrah."

    This remnant are the 144,000 virgins mentioned in Revelations.

    Look at it this way.

    On a human level male and females who have not experienced intercourse are said to be virgins.

    All those who have not experienced unnatural sex, the sex of Sodom and Gomorrah are virgins in their relationship with God.
  • Peggy - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Revelation 11:8

    Jerusalem is spiritually Sodom and Egypt

    America is spiritually Gomorrah

    Russia & China's iron and clay days are coming

    Ezekiel 21:19-20 calls out 2 prime targets for destruction: [Israel and America] Is it any wonder why these 2 treacherous dealers reap the whirlwind in the day of destruction?

    19 Also, thou son of man, appoint thee two ways, that the sword of the king of Babylon may come: both twain shall come forth out of one land: and choose thou a place, choose it at the head of the way to the city.

    20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.
  • Peggy - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Greetings Marilyn,

    God knows who the 144,000 are, and I'm sure they are righteous souls. The 2 witnesses from both houses of Israel are there to document anti-Christs crimes for trial, as required by the law.

    Too many people think that Elijah and Moses are the 2 witnesses, which goes to prove how easy it is to be a slave to what someone else believes.

    Too many people believe in a pre-6th trumpet, day of the Lord rapture. Rapture is not Bible doctrine. Luke 17: 34-37 Jesus describes those being "taken" at the day of the Lord's visitation. They ask him, Lord, where are they taken? Jesus says you will find the bodies where the vultures are gathered--(they're dead).

    However, at the 7th trumpet, the few who make it through the great tribulation are given an air lift to Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is how it's done. From an earlier question, Revelation 10:7 has a connection to Revelation 11:15, providing resolution to the mystery.

    I want more too. I'm sure 9-11-01 was Revelation 9:1-11; the 5th trumpet sees mystery America terrorizing the world with their phony war on terror. It only makes sense that crooked America gets obliterated at the 6th trumpet, Revelation 9:13-21 by the beast. The Gematria screams inside job as well, God knows they love their witchcraft. Small example of the ritual: The Pentagon is 77 feet tall, it sits on the 77th meridian, and on 'September Eleventh' (77 Reduced Ordinal) was struck by fight 77, 77 minutes after takeoff, traveling at 530 mph (77 feet per second). World Trade Center = 77 (Full Reduction).

    May God watch over you, Marilyn.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ephesians 2

    You stated men are born righteousness, My response was no one is born righteous. Being right right with God doesn't make you sinless.

    Our righteousness don't purify the heart

    Isaiah 64:6. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Christ righteousness has to be imputed on to us. In that case all that truly accepted Christ should be on that list

    Let's first look at the verse in Psalms YOU gave to validate your point.

    ""It don't quote the way you presented it"" However what you added argues my point for me..

    You quoting """When an unjust person returns to God they will be justified, made just again""" Here is a few more verses to add to your quote.

    2 Corinthians 5:21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Romans 3:22 . Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    Isaiah 53:11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    Job even disagrees with you:

    Job 15:14-16. What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

    Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight.

    How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?

    If you believe that's a list of sinless men I'm sure David would disagree with you also.

    If we can be right with God our deliverance would have came from the law!!
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Marilyn Taplin,

    "Are you saying no one will stand in the remnant?"

    I see your response as a shallow attempt to turn my words into something you believe you can manage. What you ignore is the pointed statement I made about you being self-righteous. What I've said is like using sign language to a blind person, as well as what was said by S Spencer, SkipVought, Rod and maybe countless others in your lifetime, who have tried to point out to you your errors in understanding the Bible. You appear, sadly, to be in the grip of pride.

    Psalms 50:5
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Doesn't the Bible say the sexually perverse are prideful? Are you mistaken as to who the prideful ones are?

    Romans 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imagination and their foolish heart was darkened. (speaking of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah). They bring a darkness to earth. They are spiritually blind.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    It makes me very sad to read your message ,you are way too aggressive ,this attitude will only make people withdraw from you and not wish to enter into any dialogue with you . Please dont message a sister that way ,you are pushing people away from you . We should be able to discuss and even disagree without judging and condeming each other.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Yes, I am aggressive. I only repeat what the Bible states. We live in a violent time. If we want the violence to end we must believe what the Bible says. We live in a wicked time. If we want heaven on earth we must believe truth.

    The day is coming when all people will return to God.

    Psalms 34:11: "Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord." I will teach you to hate evil.

    "Fear not: Behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people" (Luke 2:10).

    We can expect great joy to all people.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Marilyn its sacha ,what i said about an aggresive attitude ,that post was not meant for you ,please belive me it was meant for some one else ,i think i need to put the persons name on my messages in future ,im so sorry ,i promise faithfully it was not for you .

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