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  • Sadhu Sundar Singh on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    In what aspect John the Baptist was convinced that Jesus has to be increased and he has to be decreased?
  • Ms willie dean jackson - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    john knew it was time for jesus ministry to begin and his to come to a end he prepared the way .
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    That's a great biography to read, of Sadhu Sundar Singh, especially of his conversion & relentless ministry with the Gospel.

    John the Baptist knew that he was only "a voice crying in the wilderness" & that his short-term ministry was to alert men to their sins & their need of the (coming) Saviour. Once Jesus' ministry began, John's ministry would slowly fade away - though of course, we know that he shortly afterwards was beheaded by Herod.

    So when John's disciples reported to John that Jesus was baptizing & people were being drawn to him, they thought to themselves that Jesus was over-reaching His authority by doing this & usurping John's ministry. But John explained to them that he (John) was simply the announcer & introducer of Jesus, that Jesus was the 'bridegroom' coming to make up His bride, & John was merely the 'friend of the bridegroom'. So in this vein, it was always in God's Plan that His Son would increase in His influence & ministry to the people, while John's work would now end with Jesus' arrival.
  • K. Smith - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    But don't forget the significates for John baptizing Jesus. Jesus was without sin so why did he come to John to be baptized? ( Matthew 3:14)

    Because revealing him as the Messiah, the Christ, through him (John) he had to be baptized by John.

    John did not yet understand that Jesus was actually stepping into the sinners' shoes. And there, where the covenant breakers were confessing their sins, those sins passed onto Jesus and He became sin-laden in our stead. He became the scapegoat for us.
  • Marilyn Taplin - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Hi K Smith,

    Jesus said, " Don't call me good, only God in heaven is good." So Jesus needed to be baptized. Then he said he would build a church without spot or wrinkle. Spots and wrinkles are two degrees of sin. Wrinkles are not as great as spots. Spots are a trespass. To trespass is to go too far and God leaves that person. One example of a wrinkle is David when he committed adultery. He did not leave God and God did not leave David. God departs from those who commit evil, the sex of Sodom and Gomorrah. They have spots or you could say they have spiritual leprosy. When we have a church without spot or wrinkle no one will sin a wrinkle size sin or a spot size sin.
  • Mild Bill - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Marilyn Taplin,"

    "only God in heaven is good", You have misquoted the Lord Jesus as translated in the KJV, because you added "in heaven", which is not in any of the three gospels Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 or Luke 18:19, See for yourself.
  • Marilyn Taplin - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Luke 18: 19, " Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good , save one, this is, God"

    Yes, this is the correct scripture and doesn't it say only God is good. Didn't Jesus say don't call me good?
  • Rod - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    When you read why Jesus says "Why callest thou me good?", this is a question on Jesus part, in response to a certain ruler's question in regards on how to inherit eternal life, He did not say "don't call me good". two totally different meanings.

    Luke 18:16-22 Context 16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. 18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
  • Mild Bill - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Marilyn Taplin,

    "don't call me good", once again you misquote the Lord Jesus. He didn't say "don't", he did ask "why", as the verse you listed plainly shows.

    "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2Timothy 2:15
  • Marilyn Taplin - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." Luke: 18:19.

    The question was asked why did Jesus need to be baptized? He was not a fornicator. However, there must have been something he needed to repent of.

    The original meaning of the word Baptism is to be washed from all the laws written in the book of Leviticus. Baptism is washing one's self from breaking any of those laws. In Matthew 3:6, "And were baptized of him confessing their sins." People are washed by confessing their sins. They are washed by the word of God. By believing the truth.

    Lu 3:3 " And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins".

    Baptism is confessing your sins. That is what baptism is as stated in Matthew 3:6, "and were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."

    The question, Why did Jesus need to be baptized is a good question.
  • Rod - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill, If you read in Luke he was also circumcised and he didn't need to be, likewise in Matthew, John says that he needed to be baptized of Jesus, but Jesus reply's that all righteousness needs to be fulfilled.

    Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

    Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

    Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

    Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
  • Marilyn Taplin - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Are you saying that you agree that Jesus was baptized? That is certainly what the Bible tells us.
  • Rod - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    If you read what I posted I think it's obvious that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist to fulfill all righteousness.

    Matthew 3:15 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him." 16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

    If you look at the bottom of your previous response, this was in reply to why you questioned, the need for Jesus to be baptized.

    these are your words, The question, Why did Jesus need to be baptized is a good question.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Hello Marilyn,

    Where are you getting "Jesus needed to be baptized or to repent of something"? So you don't believe Jesus Christ lived a sinless life for you and me?

    Jesus Christ is completely on a different level than all other people. Even John saying that he needed to be baptized of Him in Matthew 3:14-15. Jesus saying He did it to fulfill all righteousness. Maybe just to humble himself.

    So the question really is do you believe Jesus Christ lived a sinless life and was sent by God the Father?
  • Mailyn Taplin - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    When a person is baptized they confess their sin. And in Matthew we learn Jesus was baptized.

    Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

    Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

    14. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

    15. And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
  • Mild Bill - In Reply on Luke 8:14 - 3 years ago
    Marilyn Taplin, You err greatly.

    "However, there must have been something he needed to repent of."

    Jesus never sinned.

    "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth" 1 Peter 2:22

    "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin" 2 Corinthians 5:21

    "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." 1 John 3:5

    Peter said he didn't, Paul said he didn't and John said he didn't, but you "suppose" he did. In your fifty years of Bible study, have you seen any verse that, states in context, that he sinned?

    The "why" has no connection to baptism, as Rod explained to you.



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