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  • Elijah on Hebrews 1 - 3 years ago
    Once saved always saved leaves out the work of transformation or sanctification which is necessary for heaven as Matthew 7 clearly shows those still working iniquity/sinning will be told to depart because they did not allow Christ His rightful place upon the throne of their heart to circumcise it, or cut the sin out which is the transformation we need to enter heaven for Revelation says those who keep the commandments (they are transformed from law breaker to law keeper ) they will enter in.
  • Paul - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 3 years ago
    There are is so much in the bible for truth and righteousness in the scriptures but remember at this point in Matthew we are still in the Old Testament, the Lord hadn't gone to the cross. He is referring to the jews who are still living under the law and the jews of today are still trying to live by that law, whereas our only hope is the Lord Jesus Christ, we are saved by the blood He shed on the cross, not by our own works.

    And as far as eternal security goes just go to Ephesians 1:13 which says "...we are saved by that Holy Spirit of promise". We are part of Christ's body those of us who are born again. Our soul and spirit have been redeemed but our sinful flesh hasn't and we are still waiting for the redemption of the purchased possession. Our works cannot save us.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 3 years ago
    Paul, you made a comment stating: that in the gospel of Matthew they were still under the old testament because Christ had not yet gone to the cross.

    Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN suffereth violence, and the violent shall take it by force. (Jesus suffered the violence)

    Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets (old testament) and the law (old testament) prophesied UNTIL John.

    Hebrews 1-2 .......Hath in these last days spoken by his Son....

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of THE KINGDOM ....

    Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH UNTO YOU.

    JESUS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

    John 17:21 That they ALL may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in ME, and I in THEE, that they also may be ONE in US......

    Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in HIMSELF of TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, so making peace.

    1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality (LIFE) dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power, everlasting. Amen.

    There were those that BELIEVED before Christ died on the cross they just didn't receive the Holy Spirit until pentecost.

    We all read over thing in the scriptures or have been taught by others that have read over things in the scriptures. We all learn from each other; but always being taught by the SPIRIT.

    The Spirits wisdom and understanding be on you.



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