Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Dave Wood on 1 John 4:1
    Why is their evil when God is all powerful and can eliminate the evil
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    From the very beginning it was never Gods will for man to be under the will and desire of Satan, Satan is the great deceiver. Important for you to know ,that Christ wants all to come to the knowledge of the truth! This is happening while we speak. This knowledge, it is called truth! Always carry your bible with you. I have for almost 47 yrs. There is nothing new under the sun. The God of heaven and earth He knows all things. Trust in Him, and He will guide your path! Have a great and glorious Day!
  • Mishael. - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

    He is the One the scriptures describe:

    John 10:10

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    Luke 18:20

    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

    God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

    If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

    There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.
  • Gary Lee - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Just to add. God is the head of everything. In Job 1:12 God allowed Satan to touch all Job's possessions but not to touch his body. And later in Job 2vs6. God allowed Satan to touch his body but not to kill him. Satan cannot do anything without God's command. Our lives is a picture of Job's life. We too will be tested to see how faithful we are to Jesus. God uses Satan to purify us. God will use our worst enemy to make us grow. Our nosy neighbour, horrible boss and even the tax man or government.
  • Ricky D Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    I do not believe that biblically God used Satan to purify us. We have freedom of Will

    The true God gives by love and belief in the truth the devil steals kills and destroys that is his only Goal. Look at jn 10:9+10 there you have the two opposites more abundant life Jesus Christ or steal kill destroy the adversary. remember God is all good and has no darkness in Him and is the Giver of all life also the last enemy to be destroyed is death a trait of the devil. Mans personal enemy

    Will do anything to blame the true God for things he does not do and make no mistake out enemy knows the scripture but changes it to suit His benefit and He's really good at it.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Ricky, What do you think the human will is free of?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    I never said free of I said man has freedom of will i.e. when a man is born over time he will make up his mind his will to believe gods word or not. But remember we all started thanks to adam born spiritually dead in trespasses and sin without god and without hope hence the reason for Jesus Christ. A persons will is what he determines what he decides in his life via teaching or experience what is right or wrong.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Rick Mentzer, "he will make up his mind his will to believe gods(G) word or not." Couldn't that be said to be, "willing himself to be saved?"

    "Something to consider All knowing God gave freedom of will to all His Creation that included lucifer in the beginning." As God's word clearly teaches, "In the beginning God". The awfulness of sin is apparent in supposing there was a choice other than God's, and lucifer was first. It would stand to reason that "dead in trespasses and sins", begs to transition that state by choice, also known as pride.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Not disagreeing with the pride thing because natural man does not believe he needs saved from anything the big ie sin. hence if you don't believe in God then you won't believe in sin then there is no reason for a saviour.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Mild Bill no human being can will himself to be saved it was Gods active will ie determined action to be saved by Grace through his son no man can say i will implies he did it, he believed Gods word and will to be delivered he did'nt will it himself. it is Gods will for people to believe His word and get delivered His way.

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  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Again its not a case of agree or disagree confessing Romans 10:9+10 and believing in your heart gets you born again spiritually we are perfect in Gods eyes now until any christian renews His mind and determines to make Gods Will his will and do it he will continue to walk according to the flesh Romans Chapter 8 1-13 to mortify or dsetroy works of the flesh this requires putting on Gods Word and acting accordingly. Also something to consider there are sins intentional and ones unintentional when Jesus Christ confronted a lot of religious leaders the evil was in their eyes they were perfect and they were the most corrupt, but most of the commend people understood they weren't worthy and they are the ones that got healed some he said go and sin no more ie don't intensionally, we all sin the question is is it done with evil intent or habit patterns of our old man nature. Any born again believer can do something and thinks its right but in the eyes of God be dead wrong, that doesn't make the person evil perhaps uneducated or unlearned. Thats why Judge not I don't know your background or experiences in life but i,ve been through some that I thought the true God was working wasn't the case but I learned just because you experience something that doesn't make it necessarily something the true God is doing. I take thoughts line them up with Gods word and unless it Glorifies god blesses me and others I don't take action. Just some food for thought.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    FYI: Mild Bill has used that same exact word twisting line before on others as if he has an agenda. That logical fallacy was called out before and it doesn't seem to be a genuine question.
  • Ricky D Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Hi Adam it's Rick I'm not here to judge but I do endeavor to stick to it is written because they are God's Words therefore to say my area my mind my interpretation my understanding are all the individuals interpretation as to what he thinks God meant this is religion elevating itself against the true God by misunderstanding or following an individual's belief system our Brother Jesus Christ ran into the same thing the religious rulers knew God's Word but twisted it to fit what they chose to believe.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Bill the human or five senses mans own will before being born again was dead in trespasses and sin against the true God.we by nature children of wrath, which is why until a person gets born again of Gods spirit ie holy spirit and renews his mind to gods word which are his thoughts he stays in his own will dead in trespasses and sin. by the way not what i think it is written
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Its not a question of free of its a question of what you decide to do based on what you decide is right or wrong. If Gods word is our basis for correct living we will base our will on that but if an individual decides not to believe than his will is based on the worlds conditions hense the god who runs it. The Will of God is his word but if an individual decides to go against that then what you sew is what you reap and there is no respect of persons. That being said God almighty covers by His Grace a ton of our faults, but if an individual decides to jump over a 200 foot canyon God is not going to break all physical law to accommodate the act. The apostle paul fought the same battle Romans 7:14-25 what makes the Masters walk so incredible i.e. Jesus Christ is that He WAlked by His free Will doing Gods Will 24-7 thats phenominal! What Did He say in the garden before being taken not my will but thine be done, he gave himself because he personified Gods Love for His Greatest creation Man.
  • Mishael. - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

    He is the One the scriptures describe:

    John 10:10

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    Luke 18:20

    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

    God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

    If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

    There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    One can only surmise, as God's Wisdom is beyond anything we can have. So my answer is purely based on the Scriptures I read & the Spirit's guidance.

    Genesis 1:26 tells us that "God made man in His Own Image, after His Likeness". This means that He has given us the qualities that He possesses within Himself (Truth, Compassion, Love, Forgiveness, Choice, Reasoning, etc. etc.). Adam & Eve would have possessed these qualities but when they fell into sin, those qualities became tainted & they fell short of what God intended for them & how they should live & behave.

    What if God prevented Satan from approaching Adam & Eve, so that they wouldn't be in a place of testing & possible failure? Could such an action by God be considered reasonable, given that He gave His new creation all His attributes? If He denied them this confrontation by Satan, would God have to continue to guard them & their descendants from the evil one? Or maybe, God could have just locked Satan & his followers away for good right after they sinned against Him, & prevented us from facing this aspect of sinning because of wrong choices?

    The reason I believe what prevented God from acting in the ways suggested above, is simply because He didn't want to remove any of His attributes, however marred, from within man or remove man from any wrong external influences; He expected that man, given his power of choice & with his desire to only serving His Creator, would either fulfil God's Plan perfectly, or if he should fail, that he would one day come back to a place of sorrow, repentance & restoration back to God.

    And of course, we know that God had chosen a special people to place His Love upon them & to given them His Law to direct them to Him & for their course of living. And then later, the provision of His Son for our full & eternal redemption. So it was God's Plan, that whether in sin or holy living, mankind would find full forgiveness, godly living & a restored relationship, as He desires for us.
  • Rick - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Something to consider All knowing God gave freedom of will to all His Creation that included lucifer in the beginning then lucifer left and took others with him and betrayed The true God. In genesis Adam was given complete control over Gods Creation and as long as Adam and Eve obeyed the true God they were in charge. The moment Eve and Adam went against the true God by doing what the serpent I.E. SAtan said they lost spiritual dominion and connection to God. In the Gospel of luke chapter 4: verses 5 and six the devil said to Jesus Christ I will give you all the power and Kingdoms of this world so that tells you who is called God of this world 2 Corinthians 4:4 heres the challenge the true God owns the world His arch enemy rules It. The best part of this is thanks to the compeleted work of Jesus Chist our saviour he no longer when we believe can exert his power over us.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Rick Mentzer, "until", "do it", are such little words, but in your context, they put a condition on the grace of God in saving people. What assurance of salvation is there if we have to "wait and see if I've really trusted". Must a baby wait to ask,"was I really born to be really born?" Born again is a true trust in what God has done for your soul. The lost see choices, the saved see no other, and grow in grace.

    "Also something to consider there are sins intentional and ones unintentional" So when you believe Christ has paid for your sins, which ones are excluded?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Mlld Bill I know of people who confessed off the top of their heads Romans 10: 9+10 no change of heart the word heart there is innermost part of your being understanding this God knows the difference. Aiso all sins past at that time are forgiven that doesn't mean the believer won't commit more thats why we have a saviour.
  • Wow pow - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Psalms 83:5

    "For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:"




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