Bible Discussion Thread

My wife and I have read YOUR KJV BIBLE every word the last three years. I am Baptist and just discovered something all BAPTIST NEED TO KNOW: WE WILL ALL; AS SAVED PEOPLE BE IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION IF LIVING. I verified it two times as found in a YouTube by:

Servus Christi TITLED: The Pretrib Rapture Deception: A False Hope

All preachers should know this as it could deceive many living during this time.

I am not a preacher, I only believe what Jesus our LORD AND GOD SAID IN HIS WORD. I have been deceived for years. Hope this will help someone else. I pray for you and your ministry daily. James

I actually took the time to listen to that lengthy teaching on the Pre-Trib Rapture deception. He spoke very well & covered a lot of ground, but failed to be more explicit in certain areas that the pre-tribbers would also hold to.

a. The Great Tribulation is a special event in history when it is God's Wrath that is poured upon the world of unbelievers. The tribulations that come to us, whether coping with life's demands & challenges or going through various intensities of persecution & to the laying down our lives for the Lord, are not part of God's Wrath, but what comes to us living in a fallen corrupt world ruled by the prince of this World. And on this aspect the YT speaker dwells on. One would need to look at the fact that a believer who has already been freed from the God's condemnation through Christ, would he then have to face His Wrath for his & the world's 'wickedness'?

b. 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 which ties in with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is taken as a separate event to the Day of the Lord not because of the specific events of the dead rising along with the saints to be with the Lord forever, but also what Paul was saying was a Mystery: something unknown or veiled beforehand, being revealed now. Just as the mystery of the Church ( Romans 11:25, Ephesians 5:32, 6:19, Colossians 1:27), so the mystery of the catching away that was not unknown before. The speaker never referred to this important point.

c. The escape of Lot & his family or of Noah & his from the pouring out of God's Wrath was not dealt particularly well by him. He emphasized that they escaped but the unbelievers were destroyed whereas in the Gt. Tribulation, it would not be so, therefore the analogy failed. However, I think that the emphasis is seen to be on the fact that God took out the righteous from the scene of His outpouring Anger.

These being a few of my observations from his talk, & though quite comprehensive & he being well studied, I remain unconvinced from his presentation.

Dear brother Chris,

Thank you for your Godly wisdom and comment. I now have a better understanding and agree with you. I will send your comments to brother Joshua also at YT. I am sure he will appreciate your comments also. I love and pray for ALL who have believed in Jesus and ask God daily to put each of us to work on the front lines and fields white unto harvest each day we have left on earth. We all must help and pray for each other daily. James

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Isaiah 26:19-21

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the "HOUR" OF temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them which dwell upon the earth. You noticed the Lord said he will keep them from the "HOUR", Meaning time of temptation? Now don't that parallel with 1st Thessalonians 5:9?. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Now i have heard it said that all saints would have to go through the tribulation for purification, Doesn't that render Christ blood shed on the cross inadequate? I thought we were washed, I thought we were hid in Christ, I thought we were sanctified in Christ, why is there need for such purification? what about the saints who has already died in Christ? THE prophets, the Apostles, ect.. I thought Christ was smitten once for our sins, if we were baptised into Christ at conversion,. If we are the body of Christ and going to appointed to wrath wouldn't that be like smitten him again? In Isaiah 53:11 He says: He shall see of the travail of his soul, and be satisfied. Were not appointed to wrath.

Thank you brother Steven I agree with your nice reply also. My brothers in Christ sure have helped me on this subject. Keep sharing the great knowledge God has given to you. I am still learning much daily about the LOVE OF JESUS. I try to give God 3 hours each day in his holy word. Then I share the GOSPEL DAILY with everyone I contact within hearing distance. Most take a LOVE LETTER FROM JESUS; TITLED: GOD'S SIMPLE PLAN OF SALVATION. I pray for you daily with all my brothers and sisters in the world, especially missionaries; that we all will witness daily what Jesus has done for us. I am saved by the blood of the only sinless man born of a virgin Jesus Christ; THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN.

Thanks James, God bless you