Hi Chris .May you and your family have a Blessed ,safe and festive holiday .i have verses which i would like to share .please let me knw when i can do so
Hello Rodney. Thank you. May the Lord add His special blessings to your lives too, & that you in return might be a blessing to others He draws to you. I'm usually on this Site each day, unless I need to be away, so please feel free to share your verses & thoughts that we might be enriched through the study of God's Word.
Hi Chris. .i do realise your have to respond to many question.just food for thought .i will be brief. Scientist have built enormous particle accelerator costing billion trying to duplicate what God put into existance by the" word of His mouth" they have tried to create life but to no avail .then they decided what the heck and they built a robot instead .hence we have Sophia.now that is another topic to descuss whenever you have the time .
I certainly have no skill or knowledge to respond to such scientific experiments or goals. All I know is that man has never been able to, nor ever can, create something out of nothing. He may be able to replicate to some extent, but not create. As much as he has advanced in the scientific & medical spheres, a created being can never assume the creative powers & unsearchable wisdom of God. He might be able to build a robot to accomplish a myriad of tasks, but if he cannot tell where man came from & how things have come together, it can & should leave him humbled because of the minuscule amount of knowledge & skill that he actually does possess. Job chapter 38. He could, in His ignorance & self-worth, compare himself to the Almighty God, even as one who believes he has the power to control his present & future, but he is brought to total insignificance when he can't even stop the effects of sin on his life which ultimately leads to his death & eternal destruction.
Dear Chris .Thank you for your prompt reply. I m sure you agree when the heavens and the earth were created ,it was the creation of one God ,our creator. sadly Satan misleads the majority of us into believing there are many gods and many paths leading to the Kingdom of the true God and His Son Jesus Christ. From a logical perspective the creation of the heavens and earth ,the universe is to complex for us mere mortals to even try to comprehend adding to that indescribeable event God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the 7th God rested and put aside ,"Santified a special day of rest.. a sign of our alegiance to our creator.my thought is this why on such a mind boggling event would the 7 th day of rest and worship over time now become the 1st day of the week. Would the almighty God allow such a change to happen? ! God forbid! I will bck up my claim with verses .Chris ,if i may call you Chis? I ask myself did the 7th Sabbath precede the Sunday of worship or viseverse.im using capital letter Sunday out of respect for your belief. I got to start replying to your verses of the day one reason being i read your prayers and they are of dedication and genuine concern for your fellow human beings .i am replying for the same reason out of genuine concern for my fellow human beings.May we according to God's word together descredit Satan and his lies and deceit .and i mean for us to do this being led by the Holy Ghost..if God is for us ! Who can be against us and i say this with conviction.please advise .
h. That it appears from the Word that Christians began worshipping the Lord on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2), though attendance to meeting with others at the synagogue was still practised by Paul ( Acts 9:20, 13:5, 14:1, etc.), there appears a departure from the religious side of the Sabbath to the first day of the week, maybe in remembrance of the Lord's resurrection & a separation from the Jewish Sabbath which included worship. No doubt, the Sabbath still remained a day of rest for them.
I am personally not inclined to whether I worship on the first day, the second or even the seventh day, as the Sabbath Day significance has no application or meaning to me under the New Covenant. When I was in employment, the need for a rest day was still required & appreciated, but that's all there was to it. If Sunday as a worship day is a problem to some, then set another day aside to worship with the Lord's people. But if to keep the Sabbath becomes an unquestionable, non-negotiable requirement that can bring on the Wrath of God or disfavour to the people, then I simply cannot see that expressed in the Word or by the Spirit, & one would have to do some intricate exegesis to provide convincing proof.
Apologies for keeping this response lengthy (though brief, in some respects), but thought to raise some thoughts for you to chew on & respond where necessary, i.e. trying to lay down some groundwork to build upon. Every blessing.
f. Jesus' time of suffering & death came, but also His glorious resurrection, that through this Divine Act of God to redeem ALL men to Himself, both Jew & Gentile would now be acceptable to Him through faith in the efficacy of the shed Blood. Was the Sabbath & the Law still current for the Jew? As long as they lived according to the requirements of the Law, they had to abide by it & were judged by it; if they failed in one part of the given Law, they had failed in all ( Galatians 5:3, Romans 2:13, James 2:10). When the Jew put aside the Law as necessary for salvation, then the application of the Cross became real: that which was based on faith & promise, & not on the letter that only served to reveal him his sin & to draw him to Christ ( Galatians 3:24).
g. So why then is the keeping of the Sabbath still necessary? For the Jew without Christ, it remains a day of rest, as an act of obedience to God, & using that occasion for religious exercises. For the Jew & Gentile who is now "in Christ", the Sabbath, as all other Laws, have no binding, other than the importance of setting a Rest Day aside from our labours, & the Laws that reveal God's Mind & Purpose for both religious & social responsibility. If one, whether Jew, Gentile or Christian, chose to keep any of the Laws, including Sabbath, then they were bound to keep it & the whole Law - there's no option to pick & choose. And by keeping the Law to justify ourselves before God, even one Law, then precludes us from the Grace of God through Christ, because that is diametrically opposed to the meaning of the Law ( Galatians 5:4).
c. Numbers 28:9,10. Not only a day of cessation from labour, but was also used in religious activity: in this instance, sacrifice (a special burnt offering). From this, we might learn that the day of rest also involved sacrifice & maybe a rehearsal of the laws given by God to Moses. So we can't think of it as just a day to sleep-in & be totally unproductive in mind & spirit.
d. Various Scriptures concerning the 'do's' & 'don't do's' on the Sabbath are shown in the Word. The people could not "kindle a fire, collect Manna, trade in goods, or bear burdens". They could however, "be involved in military campaigns, weddings, feasts, offering of sacrifices, opening gates, changing guards, etc."
e. Till the building of the first Temple (Solomon's), all religious activity was contained in the precincts of the Tabernacle. When the Temple was erected, public worship & activity took place there. After the rebuilding of the Second Temple (c. 352 BC) led by Ezra, public worship recommenced. In Jesus' day, both the Temple & the Synagogue existed: as Chabad dot org says, "The purpose of the synagogue was to provide a venue to facilitate and enhance the Biblical obligation of prayer by adding a communal element." When the Roman army destroyed this temple in 69 AD, the synagogue remained the only place to come together. So, the Jews maintained the 7th day of rest as prescribed but also used that day productively in the synagogue. And this is where we find Jesus: both at the Temple ( Matthew 21:12,13) & also at the Synagogue ( Matthew 4:23), teaching but also condemning the religious leaders for their hypocrisy, high status, extra stipulations for the Sabbath, & grievous burdens laid on the people (Matthew chap 23). Jesus conformed perfectly to His Father's Commandment in treating the Sabbath as holy & in doing so, revealed to the leaders their failure to understand its meaning, both in rest & correct religious observance & practise.
Hello Rodney. I see that this matter is much on your heart & with anything that requires serious consideration, I find that if we have the basic understanding of it, then we can confidently proceed from there. But if we have disagreement at that 'basic' level, then whatever proceeds from there, will amplify our objections & take us to further divergent thoughts & conclusions. So, with the Sabbath Day, it's only proper to understand what is given to us in the Word & what God requires of us by His Command. Therefore, I will state what I believe on that subject & you can take issue with me in point form, so that the matter might be properly addressed. And by the way, I'm here on this Site just as you & others are, to share, discuss & learn more from God's Word. May the Lord help us & give us His Wisdom.
a. Genesis 2:2,3. On the seventh day, God rested from His Work & blessed that day & sanctified it. Was God exhausted & worn out from that demanding work of creation? The use of the word, Shabath, indicates that it was simply a cessation of work. And in the Genesis account, I'm not trying to decipher whether the days of creation were literal 24 hour days, or days denoting extended periods of time. The point was that for six 'creation' days God involved Himself in work & on the seventh He desisted from such work which doesn't imply any physical weariness.
b. Exodus 20:8-11. The first direct instruction given to the children of Israel concerning this day of rest, Shabath. The keeping of this day holy (set apart) as with the rite of circumcision, marked out this people as belonging to the Lord, that which no other nation was given or observed. All humans & animals in the company of God's people had to desist from any form of work or else punishment by death followed ( Exodus 31:12-17). This command (or, any other commands) & any requirement to observe them, were not given to any other people except to Israel.
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Rodney
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Rodney
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Rodney
h. That it appears from the Word that Christians began worshipping the Lord on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2), though attendance to meeting with others at the synagogue was still practised by Paul ( Acts 9:20, 13:5, 14:1, etc.), there appears a departure from the religious side of the Sabbath to the first day of the week, maybe in remembrance of the Lord's resurrection & a separation from the Jewish Sabbath which included worship. No doubt, the Sabbath still remained a day of rest for them.
I am personally not inclined to whether I worship on the first day, the second or even the seventh day, as the Sabbath Day significance has no application or meaning to me under the New Covenant. When I was in employment, the need for a rest day was still required & appreciated, but that's all there was to it. If Sunday as a worship day is a problem to some, then set another day aside to worship with the Lord's people. But if to keep the Sabbath becomes an unquestionable, non-negotiable requirement that can bring on the Wrath of God or disfavour to the people, then I simply cannot see that expressed in the Word or by the Spirit, & one would have to do some intricate exegesis to provide convincing proof.
Apologies for keeping this response lengthy (though brief, in some respects), but thought to raise some thoughts for you to chew on & respond where necessary, i.e. trying to lay down some groundwork to build upon. Every blessing.
f. Jesus' time of suffering & death came, but also His glorious resurrection, that through this Divine Act of God to redeem ALL men to Himself, both Jew & Gentile would now be acceptable to Him through faith in the efficacy of the shed Blood. Was the Sabbath & the Law still current for the Jew? As long as they lived according to the requirements of the Law, they had to abide by it & were judged by it; if they failed in one part of the given Law, they had failed in all ( Galatians 5:3, Romans 2:13, James 2:10). When the Jew put aside the Law as necessary for salvation, then the application of the Cross became real: that which was based on faith & promise, & not on the letter that only served to reveal him his sin & to draw him to Christ ( Galatians 3:24).
g. So why then is the keeping of the Sabbath still necessary? For the Jew without Christ, it remains a day of rest, as an act of obedience to God, & using that occasion for religious exercises. For the Jew & Gentile who is now "in Christ", the Sabbath, as all other Laws, have no binding, other than the importance of setting a Rest Day aside from our labours, & the Laws that reveal God's Mind & Purpose for both religious & social responsibility. If one, whether Jew, Gentile or Christian, chose to keep any of the Laws, including Sabbath, then they were bound to keep it & the whole Law - there's no option to pick & choose. And by keeping the Law to justify ourselves before God, even one Law, then precludes us from the Grace of God through Christ, because that is diametrically opposed to the meaning of the Law ( Galatians 5:4).
c. Numbers 28:9,10. Not only a day of cessation from labour, but was also used in religious activity: in this instance, sacrifice (a special burnt offering). From this, we might learn that the day of rest also involved sacrifice & maybe a rehearsal of the laws given by God to Moses. So we can't think of it as just a day to sleep-in & be totally unproductive in mind & spirit.
d. Various Scriptures concerning the 'do's' & 'don't do's' on the Sabbath are shown in the Word. The people could not "kindle a fire, collect Manna, trade in goods, or bear burdens". They could however, "be involved in military campaigns, weddings, feasts, offering of sacrifices, opening gates, changing guards, etc."
e. Till the building of the first Temple (Solomon's), all religious activity was contained in the precincts of the Tabernacle. When the Temple was erected, public worship & activity took place there. After the rebuilding of the Second Temple (c. 352 BC) led by Ezra, public worship recommenced. In Jesus' day, both the Temple & the Synagogue existed: as Chabad dot org says, "The purpose of the synagogue was to provide a venue to facilitate and enhance the Biblical obligation of prayer by adding a communal element." When the Roman army destroyed this temple in 69 AD, the synagogue remained the only place to come together. So, the Jews maintained the 7th day of rest as prescribed but also used that day productively in the synagogue. And this is where we find Jesus: both at the Temple ( Matthew 21:12,13) & also at the Synagogue ( Matthew 4:23), teaching but also condemning the religious leaders for their hypocrisy, high status, extra stipulations for the Sabbath, & grievous burdens laid on the people (Matthew chap 23). Jesus conformed perfectly to His Father's Commandment in treating the Sabbath as holy & in doing so, revealed to the leaders their failure to understand its meaning, both in rest & correct religious observance & practise.
Hello Rodney. I see that this matter is much on your heart & with anything that requires serious consideration, I find that if we have the basic understanding of it, then we can confidently proceed from there. But if we have disagreement at that 'basic' level, then whatever proceeds from there, will amplify our objections & take us to further divergent thoughts & conclusions. So, with the Sabbath Day, it's only proper to understand what is given to us in the Word & what God requires of us by His Command. Therefore, I will state what I believe on that subject & you can take issue with me in point form, so that the matter might be properly addressed. And by the way, I'm here on this Site just as you & others are, to share, discuss & learn more from God's Word. May the Lord help us & give us His Wisdom.
a. Genesis 2:2,3. On the seventh day, God rested from His Work & blessed that day & sanctified it. Was God exhausted & worn out from that demanding work of creation? The use of the word, Shabath, indicates that it was simply a cessation of work. And in the Genesis account, I'm not trying to decipher whether the days of creation were literal 24 hour days, or days denoting extended periods of time. The point was that for six 'creation' days God involved Himself in work & on the seventh He desisted from such work which doesn't imply any physical weariness.
b. Exodus 20:8-11. The first direct instruction given to the children of Israel concerning this day of rest, Shabath. The keeping of this day holy (set apart) as with the rite of circumcision, marked out this people as belonging to the Lord, that which no other nation was given or observed. All humans & animals in the company of God's people had to desist from any form of work or else punishment by death followed ( Exodus 31:12-17). This command (or, any other commands) & any requirement to observe them, were not given to any other people except to Israel.
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