Bible Discussion Thread

  • Rob on 1 John 4
    Here we have a verse 1 John 4.15

    There are others like it .

    But where is the verse that says we need to believe in the deity of Christ ?

    Thanks for your input !
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 John 4
    There's no verse to say we must 'believe' in the Deity of Christ, but there are ample verses to show the Deity of Christ, as has been given in other discussions with you Rob.

    However, since you mentioned 1 John 4:15 showing "Jesus as the Son of God", let's not forget verses 2 & 3, "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

    If you've done a study of 1 John, you would have seen that Gnostic teaching was rife & intruding into the Church, hence this urgent epistle by John. There are many facets to Gnosticsm & one branch, Docetism, had this devilish teaching that "the incarnation is incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". Hence John gave out this urgent & stern warning as we read in verses 1-3 to always "test the spirits whether they are of God, because false prophets (& specifically the teachers holding to Gnostic beliefs) are gone out into the world".

    And how would the believers know how to discern which spirit was speaking? John says, It is "God's Spirit (through the teacher) that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh". Did these false teachers deny the physical Jesus? No. Jesus' presence on Earth was both an historical & real experience that none could deny. The denial came when that physical Body was taught to be united to God since it was impossible for God, so Holy & Pure, to join Himself with anything of the flesh. John clarifies that this is the evil coming forth from such spirits that want to lessen the full value & beauty of Jesus coming as God's Son from God, by simply confining Him to a fleshly existence. Some even proposed that only a spiritual Jesus was on Earth & the Crucifixion was effected by just a man.
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    If you understand that God said this is my beloved Son! What more does a person need ?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 John 4

    Please take this in all kindness, peacefulness, and gentleness. Where is the verse that says we need to believe Jesus Christ only began to exist when he was born on earth? Please don't come back at me and curse me trying to say only what you perceive is the truth. It seems different people have different ways of interpreting Jesus Christ. But if some of us are simply believing what John the Baptizer, Christs Apostles, and Jesus Christ Himself said in the Bible. Then you are simple not believing all of them either. And just want to believe in your own idea. Which really, to me, is fine. As long as we acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and the Messiah sent from our Father in Heaven. That died on the cross for our sins. Why so much going back and forth about this? We are not going to change our views(which is backed up by many Scriptures) and I doubt you are going to change your view.

    So again please don't take this harshly by any means. Instead of arguing or telling other people they believe a lie from the devil. Maybe we should praise the Lord in some way. I'll leave this one verse for everyone. John 5:23 God Bless.
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Thanks Richard !

    First off I am what I am by the grace of God . I'm a very different person now then before . I trust the Lord to be my judge on how I serve him .

    God is love at heart , but trust me he can be terrifying as well . So better to be on Gods good side because he is going to destroy his enemies.

    I can tell you have very little knowledge of the Bible in truth . But that's nothing unusual these days . Keep at it and always pray to God in Jesus name that He teach you and make you what he wants you to be . His will not ours , like the lord Jesus said and did !

    When I first started reading the Bible , all I knew was it was the truth and Gods word .

    They said a lot of bad things about the Lord and we will get it to . Fear not man but God .
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on 1 John 4
    God Bless you Rob. I am also what God made me. As we all are. I also know that the Lord is the one and only true Judge. Of everything. As the Father committed all judgement unto the Son. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. Why are you judging, condemning, me saying "I can tell you have very little knowledge of the Bible in truth"? Again you are exalting yourself. That you know the "truth" and I don't? Do you think our Father loves you more than me? It saddens me to see this. Do you know of the several teachings of Christ to not exalt yourself? To humble yourself?

    I am also going to state this. As others may look down upon me also. But it is the truth. I do not fear my Father in Heaven. I love Him with everything that I am. All I want to do is what He wants me to do. His Will. What makes Him happy. If He wants to destroy me I know He is all powerful and can do anything He wants. And if that's what He want's then I do too. It's about Him not me.

    I do not want any to perish. Even the most wicked person. But that all shall come to repentance. This is the Will of the Lord. I pray for everyone. Because the Lord has lead me to do so. I am His. Take care Rob.
  • Rob - in Reply on 1 John 4
    I don't have I'll will toward any person , you seem to have Good heart , All the best to those that seek God in sincerity and truth .

    I must say the Bible has been maligned terribly since even the apostles time .

    But the word of God is still true and Jesus is at the fathers right hand interceding !

    If God be for us who can be against us ! I'm very happy in the Lord !

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