Bible Discussion Thread

  • Rachat on 1 John 3:12
    Cain was of that wicked one the serpent. He was the child of the serpent. Adam was the Son of God and we know that God is not wicked. That can only mean that the serpent had intercourse with eve thus producing cain with all the ungodly manifestations that his father (the devil) had.
  • David W Black - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Sorry there but you're off on an incorrect line of thinking. Cain was still Adam's son. Cain's murder of his brother was a manifestation of his carnal heart that he inherited from daddy, that is Adam. Carnality is why you parents do not spend time teaching your children to misbehave but to correct wrong behavior. Yet they still learn to lie, steal, hate, and etc. Typically children just naturally know how to be dishonest. They were born that way because they were born carnal.

    There is a cure for that carnal heart. Step 1 is to be saved from committed sin through the prayer of repentance. Step 2 is to offer yourself to God by being sanctified, assuming you've not sinned since repentance, which is required of all to cease the sinning now on Earth. You'll need to ask Him to remove the carnal nature and to fill you with the Holy Ghost. That is the cure, how to stop sinning. Each person needs to be saved from committed and inherited sins, or you die lost.
  • Claire - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
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    I don't think God put these commandments in the Bible by accident. God does [everything] for a reason. I have asked Jesus into my heart & repented for my sins, but I'm not 100% sure that I'm saved because I'm still sinning. I'm going to try & cure my carnal heart by following all your steps & seeing if I feel any different. Thank you for sharing these steps in this thread.

    God bless you & your family.

    Kind Regards

  • Claire - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
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    Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded [you to perform], even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

    Deuteronomy 6:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

    Deuteronomy 11:22 For if ye [shall diligently keep all] these commandments which I [command you], [to do them], to love the LORD your God, [to walk in all his ways], and to cleave unto him;

    Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye [shall walk] after the LORD your God, and fear him, and [keep] his commandments, and [obey] his voice, and ye [shall] serve him, and cleave unto him.

    2 Chronicles 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, [he did it with all his heart, and prospered.]

    Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with [them that love him and keep his commandments] to a thousand generations;

    Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and [keep] his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, [alway.]

    Deuteronomy 15:5 [Only] if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to [observe to do all] these commandments which I command thee this day.

    Deuteronomy 27:10 Thou shalt therefore [obey] the voice of the LORD thy God, [and do] his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

    Deuteronomy 30:8 And thou shalt return and [obey] the voice of the LORD, [and do all] his commandments which I command thee this day.

    1 Kings 8:58 That he may incline our hearts unto him, [to walk in all his ways], [and to keep] his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.

    These are just a few of the scriptures [commanding us to keep them.]
  • Claire - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
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    1 Chronicles 28:7 Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, [if] he be [constant] to [do] my commandments [and] my judgments, as at this day.

    1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and [keepeth not] his commandments, [is a liar], and [the truth is not in him].

    Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they [that keep] the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Exodus 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to [keep] my commandments and [my laws?]

    Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, [if] we observe to [do all] these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

    1 Kings 8:61 Let your heart therefore be [perfect] with the LORD our God, to [walk] in his statutes, and to [keep] his commandments, as at this day.

    Psalms 119:21 Thou hast rebuked the [proud] that are [cursed], which [do err] from thy commandments.

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and [keep] his commandments: for this is the [whole duty] of man.

    1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we [keep] his commandments, and [do] those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    1 John 3:24 And he that [keepeth] his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    Deuteronomy 11:28 And a [curse], if ye will [not obey] the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

    Proverbs 4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: [keep] my commandments, and [live].

    Proverbs 10:8 The [wise] in heart [will] receive commandments: but a [prating fool shall fall].

    Revelation 22:14 Blessed are [they] that [do] his commandments, that [they] may have right to the tree of life, and [may enter] in through the gates into the city.
  • Claire - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Hi David W Black,

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    I agree that Cain inherited his sinful nature from Adam. Before Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good & evil they knew no sin because they were made in the image of God. It was only after they ate from the tree that they new good & evil.

    Jesus is our role model on how we [should] live. [If] it was [impossible] for us to [sin no more] then Jesus wouldn't of commanded us to [do] it.

    John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: [sin no more], lest a worse thing come unto thee.

    John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and [sin no more].

    1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we [keep] his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    John 15:10 [If] ye [keep] my commandments, ye [shall] abide in my love; even as I have [kept] my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, [if] we [keep] his commandments.

    Leviticus 22:31 Therefore shall ye [keep] my commandments, and [do] them: I am the LORD.

    John 14:15 [If] ye love me, [keep] my commandments.

    Leviticus 26:3 [If] ye walk in my statutes, [and keep] my commandments, and [do] them;

    Numbers 15:40 That ye may remember, and [do] [all] my commandments, and [be holy] unto your God.

    Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, [and keep all] my commandments [always], that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

    Proverbs 7:2 [Keep] my commandments, and [live]; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

    Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto [thousands] of them that [love me], [and keep] my commandments.

    Deuteronomy 5:10 And shewing mercy unto [thousands] of them that [love me] [and keep] my commandments.

    Deuteronomy 11:27 A blessing, [if] ye [obey] the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day.
  • Roy - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Hello Rachat, your line of thinking was spot on correct about Cain's father.
  • Claire - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Hi Roy,

    I have heard that story about Satan being Cain's father but it's not biblical.

    Genesis 4:1

    And [Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain], and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    1 Corinthians 14:33

    For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    2 Timothy 3:16

    All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    God bless you and your family.

    Kind Regards

  • Roy - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Hello again Claire, thank you for your Bible references:

    Genesis 4:1 Take note of who is saying "I have gotten a man from the Lord". It is Eve, the one who had already been beguiled by the serpent, so we know she was capable of getting things wrong. In one sense, she was correct; in that all life comes from the Lord as creator of heaven and earth and He created life with a reproductive seed principle. She does not state who is the father, merely that she has gotten a man. Note also that Adam did not "know" Eve a second time before Eve gave birth to Able. Twins in the womb from different fathers is what is being recorded here. A biological event that has since been proven to be possible. Note also why Adam called the woman Eve: it was because she was the mother of all living. Nowhere does the Bible say that Adam was the father of all living. In fact, much scripture indicates that Adam was not.

    Sorry, I don't understand the reasons for quoting 1 Corinthians 14:33 and 2 Timothy 3:16 in this particular context.
  • Roy - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    The reasons for 1John 3:12 are all there in Genesis
  • Roy - in Reply on 1 John 3:12
    Hello Claire

    Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your comments. I guess we take a different view over what is biblical and what is not... and that's ok, so long as we earnestly contend for THE FAITH that was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 1:3.

    The fact that there are children of God and children of the devil is clear wherever I read in the Bible, so that much is Biblical. It's all about predestination: Cain/Able, Jacob/Esau (Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated) Jesus Christ/Judas Iscariot.

    Jesus chose his words carefully in Matthew 23:33. He knew precisely to whom he was speaking. Consider also 2Pet2 and Jude 1:10 and think about those brute beasts made to be taken and destroyed. How were they made and why? There are many other examples in the Bible that should prove to the reader the fact of two predestinated groups, one ordained to life, the other, much larger in number, destined for the lake of fire. We have a just and loving God. He is interested only in His own children, the children of the devil have their purpose in time but not in eternity.

    Understanding the "mechanics" of how it all came about as part of God's master plan of being a saviour is wonderful to a true child of God. The two "lines" didn't come about by eating apples or any other botanical fruit. No, please read the early chapters of Genesis again... there's more to learn of the truth there.


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