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  • Alexander BarMikiel on Matthew 26
    If it was the Passover Seder, why did they think Judas was on his way to buy for the feast? Also, how can Jesus be the Passover Seder if he was killed the day after the Seder. Meaning this has to be the day before. Food for thought.
  • Prophesy on Judas Iscariot - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Jesus already knew what Judas Iscariot was going to do; but not his other disciples.

    There was an Old Testament prophesy about the event. Judas fulfilled it.

    Psalms 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
  • Alexander BarMikiel - in Reply on Matthew 26
    (My rant is on what I meant, I apologize at its length) That is very much not what I was saying, I mean that the last supper couldn't have been Passover, Passover is at the beginning of the feast of unleavened bread, which is a Sabbath. Even if Judas could have gotten things on the Sabbath, what could they have prepared for if not the Seder. You're right about what you said, it's just not what I was implying was wrong. If Jesus was the Passover lamb he had to be killed at the same time all of the other lambs were being slaughtered for Passover. He arrived 10 days before slaughter, as was the law. He was without blemish as was the law. He was even the equal sacrifice, he was the only person in history born of God except Adam; Paul said that Jesus paid Adam's sin (ours as well) but he was, therefore, an equal sacrifice to Adam. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, came out of Egypt (salvation from Egypt), baptized at 30 (as was the law for priests), became the high priest (after Melchizedek), fulfilled all of Psalms 22 (no broke bone, pierced hands, out of joint, hanged on a tree, etc...), he restituted the gentiles to Israel, he hasn't wed the perfect virgin yet (that's Revelation 21 where he does that), but he has fulfilled every prophecy except a few to come. What I am saying is, if he did all of this, if he fulfilled all of these prophecies, fulfilled the festival of Sukkoth, fulfilled Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashana, EVEN Hanukkah! Why would he not die on the day when the Passover was supposed to die? It drives me crazy, he is a perfect God, why would he set up a festival literally about passing over sin (Egypt being bondage, bondage in sin specifically) and have him die on the WRONG DAY! I'm not even going to get into why people think it would be Sunday that he rose. I do apologize for the rant, it is completely not directed at you, but toward an idea that I believe has no basis in the bible but has its basis in a painter from the 1300's misinterpretation of it.
  • Jackie Bolin - in Reply on Matthew 26
    In Genesis 22 :7-8 Isaac askAbraham his father where is the lamb Abraham said my son God will provide HIMSELF A lamb

    IN Exodus 12 God gives the times and the orders of the passover lamb (Jesus)

    Look at Exodus 12 :2 God starts time over to the beginning this is prophecy if you will perceive it

    My interpretation is God StartsTime over here so we would know that when the true final passover lamb Jesus comes Time will start over and it did

    And look at the Fulfillment of God will provide HIMSELF a Lamb

    John chapter 1 verse 29 Behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world God Brings is on lamb Jesus in to his own house 2chronicles 3:1 on the 10th day of Nissan And Inspected Him (Luke 6:7)Till the 14th day and judged Him (John 18:28)by the law and by the religion of the day And Pilate said I FIND NO FAULT IN THE MAN NO BLEMISH NO SIN Luke 23:1-3

    And it is still the 14th Till 6 o'clock

    And crucified Him Outside of God's house the city Jerusalem at evening 3 clock Exodus 12:6

    Matthew 27:37 And set up over His Head His accusation written THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS (God's Name Tag on His LAMB) And ROSE UP 3 days later on the 17th day

    Hebrews 9:12 Took His Own BLOOD and Entered in ONCE into The HOLY PLACE (THE THRONE OF GOD) having OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us

    John 14:29 (Jesus said) And now I have told you BEFORE IT COMES to pass that WHEN IT IS COME TO PASS YE MIGHT BELIEVE

    This may or may not help you it is a point of view that you may have already Studied

    May God bless you and your family always

    JACKIE
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Jackie, absolutely correct, revealed by the working of the Holy Spirit within you. By the working of the Holy Spirit, lets take two verses you quoted and be led into deeper truths. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin (singular) of the world. This one sin that keeps man separated from God. John 14:29 And now I (Jesus) have told you before it came to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin (unbelief) of the world. Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted (tried) like as we are, yet without sin (unbelief). I John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin (live in unbelief); for his (Christ) seed is in him: and he cannot sin (live in unbelief); because he is born of God.
  • Jackie Bolin - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Thanks Brother Earl Bowman Take all the sound doctrine i can get
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Not just to you ,But to all that are commenting, with large running comments. I don't bother to read large comments like yours. Why not break your comments down into smaller comments. I will never read long comments.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Jesus frequently healed people on Sabbath.

    He healed the Roman Centurions slave. He healed Gentiles & the Samaritan woman, plus everyone in her town.

    I don't think that we should be critical of anything Jesus did. He had his reasons.

    Now I have to go read all the center of the page (abc) reference columns again. All I am sure of, is that all of our questions will be answered when we get to Heaven.

    Let's not suffer loss of rewards at the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ; for teaching something that's contrary to what Jesus did.

    I'm thinking there's a scripture in the Old Testament that will shed some light. Must be Lamentations because I don't read that book enough.

    God puts stumbling blocks in our paths, so we will trip over them. This may be one of those. Let's keep studying.
  • Alexander in reply - in Reply on Matthew 26
    I very much wasn't being critical of Jesus, but of how people precieve him. This was very much rhetorical. My point being that he didn't do the thing people often claim, it goes against his character. The last supper couldn't have been the passover Seder. Jesus was the Passover, he would have died on the day before The Festival of Unleavened Bread. God often gives exception to rules. We're not a religion of legalism, but he does set things in place as guidelines. If you're looking for scripture on healing on the Sabbath, that's Leviticus 18:5 live by the law (meaning don't die by it). Ez 20 something as well. Preservation of life, even animal life (donkey in the ditch) is sacred. My point was also that in a Jewish city Judas couldn't buy if he wanted to, the rabbis we're ruthless on Sabbath breakers. There's also the issue of Deuteronomy 13, if a prophet says anything contrary to Moses they are not a prophet of God. Leviticus 18 covers healing on Sabbath, and the law isn't a legalistic barrier of absolutes, but if Jesus taught against certain things he would be suspect. I believe with every fiber of my being that he is Messiah, Lord, redeemer, restitution, and equal sacrefice. My point isn't to actually ask, but to get people to look into the word. The main reason I even responded to this is because you seemed strong in scripture and I didn't want you thinking less of me because of a misunderstanding. But unfortunately, I apparently am not as strong in teaching as I would like or Paul would require.
  • The Goodman of the House - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Mark 14:

    12
    And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

    13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.

    14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

    15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

    This wasn't a prophesy. It's a word of knowledge; like when he spoke to the woman at the well.

    Mishael
  • Prophesies DO NOT Lie - in Reply on Matthew 26
    I believe Jesus because of what he said in Matthew 3:15-17. "That all righteousness must be fulfilled."

    Even John the Baptist was born to fulfill prophesy. A voice crying in the wilderness.

    It was even a prophesy as to where the donkey and colt was that He would ride into Jerusalem on.

    I have this great chart of all the prophesies that would be fulfilled in Jesus ministry, right up to the Cross.

    The one thing that made Him stay awake all evening when He was going to be betrayed and arrested, was when he would be separated from His Father while on the Cross: taking upon himself the sins of all the world, for all time.

    All you can say, truly He is the Son of God.

    All things were provided, so I know a basket of bread and some bottles of wine were a small detail. Let's search for Bread. Maybe it's on that list, I hope. Or in Isaiah? Joseph of Aramatheia (who provided the tomb) ?

    The odds of all the prophesies being fulfilled have to be more than all the stars in our galaxy. How really can anyone doubt He is who he said He is.

    I know it's natural to want to prove everything; but I believe what Jesus said: unless we become as this little child...in our faith; we cannot please God.

    When we are caught up in the clouds to Jesus, the election will return the Jews again. Romans 11: 25-27

    Scales will fall from eyes; ears will open!

    The Dispersed Jews are returning by plane loads, every day. The Land is blooming, producing. Someone said there are wheat fields in Israel; water, oil. The Jews love for their land abounds. But they must turn their LOVE on the Lord, Messiah; who loves them again.

    Don't doubt. Keep your full expectation on God to fulfill every thing that has been written and recorded. Ignore the NAYSAYERS. Jesus is impressed with our faith in Him. Preach that. Like John the Baptist.

    Mishael


 

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