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  • Brother dan on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Not sure why so many people seem to be confused about the sabbath day, it is Saturday, the seventh day of the week, and is a day of rest, no work, and a day to reflect on God, pray, and give thanks. God gave this sabbath day to man, it is for us to rest and give thanks and regenerate our body and sprit and to draw closer to God.

    Lastly, it is the the 4th commandment that God gave to us. I value and honor all 10 of God's commandments. It is the law! Jesus while on earth honored the sabbath day. It is Gods Law....and Jesus said in Matthew 5:17

    "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

    Let's put it in another way, are you willing to keep 9 of the commandments, and ignore one - the Sabbath? I'm not.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Dear Dan,

    I'm replying to your comment on the sabbath. While I agree that it would seem strange to follow only 9 of the 10 commandments, Jesus did treat the commandment about the sabbath differently than the others and there is scripture evidence that suggests the sabbath is not equal to the other commandments.

    The reason is Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath himself! If he were alive today and you saw Jesus heal someone or do some 'work', would you accuse and judge Him of it? That's what the Pharisees did and Jesus rebuked them. So, Jesus made a clear point that it's ok to do good work on the sabbath. Mark 2:27. There are also interesting verses like Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5. This shows the original reason Israelites needed to observe the Sabbath: Deuteronomy 5:15.

    So, did Jesus fulfill the sabbath or did he not?
  • Brother dan - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Hi Adam, Yes Jesus did observe the Sabbath, and he taught us that there are logical exceptions, and good works that can be performed on this day. But these exceptions should not be an excuse to disregard the Sabbath, make the Sabbath another day, or minimize it within the list of 10 commandments.

    There are exceptions of many things that can be performed on the Sabbath as demonstrated and taught by Jesus. These are sensible things, are circumstances like helping others, and addressing things that are emergencies or require immediate help. Feeding animals, or milking cows, helping others that need immediate attention and failure to do so would be neglect.

    So yes it is true, we are taught by Jesus in many instances not to neglect anything requiring our help on the Sabbath, but at the same time he didn't cancel the importance of following the the 4th commandment, and keeping the Sabbath Day Holy. God Bless.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    If someone's work is helping people (like a pastor, doctor, walmart greeter) and they work on the sabbath do you think that's not a violation, then?
  • Pharisees Sadducees in the Church - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    In the Gospels, read slowly and you will see that Jesus taught on the sabbath; healed the sick, infirmed , demon possessed/ oppressed, cleansed lepers.

    Church can be an actual Church, radio ministry, tv ministry, Youtube ministry, etc.

    Shut in seniors are not condemned for not attending a church and giving their tithe there. You tithe to the ministry that feeds your soul & spirit, that prays for you corporately, calls you at home. Some churches even have home visitation ministry!

    If you dispute that; go have a good look at

    Matthew 26:31-46 and

    Messages to the Churches: beginning in Revelation chapter 2

    I think these matters are going to be reviewed at the Bema Seat (Judgment) of Jesus Christ. Rewards will be given and rewards will be lost, to BELIEVERS.
  • Brother dan - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Hi Adam, In those circumstances that you just outlined...in my opinion, it is not a Sabbath violation. People helping other people on the Sabbath is similar to what Jesus did. If you have to work to feed your family ok. There is 24 hours in a day, hopefully all the people you mentioned can still dedicate some time to still observe the Sabbath and pray and honor God. God will know, and God will make the judgement call. God Bless.
  • GTMok - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Good day Dan,

    Just to add to your comment, I also believe we aught to keep the seventh day holy, however when there is an opportunity to help someone in dire need on the Sabbath, we have to do so. After all, didn't the blind man end up believing in God for the good work Jesus did to him on the Sabbath ( John 9)? Whatever ye do, do it to the glory of God, 1 Corinthians 10:31.

    At the end of the day we should be able to hear these words from our Redeemer, Matthew 25:31-40. Whether the good works were done on Sabbath, or any other day, for as long as the praise and worship of the beneficiaries are directed to God - that is all we can ever ask for.

    Matthew 25:

    31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
  • Brother dan - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    GTMok,

    Thanks for sharing the scripture.

    Yes, I agree with you brother. We should be helping each other always, even on the Sabbath, and everyday of the week, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus set the example for us to follow. So many times we get detoured, and thank God that we can read the Bible, and pray for understanding.
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Why would you desire to be under bondage to the curse of the law when Jesus Christ has redeemed us from said curse? (Galatians chapter 3).
  • Brother dan - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 5:17-19

    17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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