Bible Discussion Thread

  • M. Fridy on John 1
    Why did the Lord tell David in 2 Samuel 12:8 that I would have given you such and such?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    "such & such" could be translated as "other things that you could have desired".

    You may remember that in the previous chapter, David did an abominable thing by committing adultery & murder. God sent Nathan the prophet to David to remind him of the evil that he had done (through a story of a rich man taking a lamb from a poor man to feed a visitor of his). The object of that story was that David was like that wicked heartless rich man by doing what he did to Uriah & his wife Bathsheba. Song of Solomon 12:8 is part of the word against David, that he could have had anything he wanted (= such & such), but he chose wickedly by doing what he did to that husband & wife.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    Please delete the Song of Solomon 12:8 reference. I didn't add it there but was quoting your 2 Samuel 12:8.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on John 1
    Only you can delete what you have posted.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    Thanks Stanjett. I've not been able to work out how to go back to a comment I made earlier & make a correction to it. Sometimes, on other 'chat or forum' sites there is an Edit button, but not here. How is it done? Thank you.
  • M Fridy - in Reply on John 1
    How can we relate 2 Samuel 12:8 with today's modern time.

    Go back and get my such and such? Does this mean what the Lord has for me its for all I have to do is ask him for

    whatever I want as long as I am in his Will?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    As mentioned before, "such & such" meant that 'anything that David could have desired'. It's understood that even for David, God would only give him 'such things' that were needed for David's reign or for his blessing & spiritual prosperity. Now in the example of David's sins, David saw Bathsheba bathing & desired her. He took it upon himself to engineer wicked events so as to acquire her. What God is saying to him is that "if you ask Me then I will provide you that which is right & proper".

    So I see that the same principle can be applied to believers today. We have the same God Who wants to shower us with His blessings to the end that our lives will be enriched & He would get the Glory. Yet, too often we ask irresponsibly & with the wrong motives & we don't receive. "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." Js 4:3.

    Or, sometimes we may ask not knowing the Will of God: "And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him." 1 John 5:14,15.

    This is why, whenever we ask of God, we must really examine our motives, the request we make, our faith, the Will of God & the Purposes of God. If we find that we don't receive our request, then it isn't that God hasn't heard us, but we have asked ignorantly (i.e. that which is not permitted by Him for that time). Maybe we have prayed earnestly for someone & not for our own needs. We may have got despondent because that loved one hasn't recovered or has died & we believe God didn't answer my prayer. Yet we don't know His Plans & His Will for that person & for us; He wants us to lovingly trust Him for the outcome - His Answer. And yes, we need to be in His Will, in the Spirit, & to honour Him with our request, so that His Answer, whatever it may be, will always be acceptable to us.
  • M. Fridy - in Reply on John 1

    Who urged us to be doers of the word, not only hearers?

    and why?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    Thank you for your questions, M. Fridy; I hope the answers you get here & other comments elsewhere are helpful to you in your understanding of God's Holy Word.

    To answer your next question: it was James, in his epistle chapter 1 verse 22, who wrote "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

    As you read the Scriptures, this truth is threaded throughout the teachings of Jesus Christ & His apostles, and of course, today every message given to the people must also have a challenge to believers to not just listen & accept the Word given, but to also perform it in their lives & for others. But there were many in those days, as now, who delighted to listen to sound words & comforted themselves in having heard God's Word preached & their belief in it. But after exiting the 'building', those words they heard earlier did not equate to acting upon them.

    James gives some examples of this, but to quote two: a. Js 1:26. There will always be a few believers that have 'a loose tongue'. Their words may be harsh, arrogant, backbiting, quarrelsome or foul. He may know his Scriptures & have a Christian demeanour & smile, but his heart is hard & unresponsive to the Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul said, "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt..." (Colossians 4:6).

    b. Js 1:27. In those days, as now, there were many suffering great hardships & particularly widows & orphans, who were not given care, as they might receive these days. There was no one to help them. Some believers then might have also ignored these vulnerable people preferring to spend more time in discussing biblical doctrines & issues. James says that the Gospel of Love requires them to go out & minister to these needy ones & show them Christ's love in action rather than be smug in their homes & fellowships discussing God's Love & other issues. Both are important, but Action, rather than Words in the ear, are far more important which God requires of us.


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