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  • Mary m white on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    The pastor this morning said your spirit and soul go immediately to heaven. What I do not get is.... if spirits go immediately to hell or heaven, then why is there a judgement day? You would already be where you are. The white thrown judgement is after the 1000 year reign, so would God pull em out of hell to send em back to hell after judgement? and bring us from heaven to go back to heaven after the judgement? Please help me to understand what happens after death.
  • Grace39s Reply Re After-Life Judgements - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    Hello Ms White,

    I don't know exactly what happens after a person dies, but while I've examined some NDE stories, I believe what God inspired in the Bible. Yours is an intelligent question. You clearly see that the act of being sent to either Heaven or Hell is in itself a judgement. So true because it's sound logic

    The word "judgement" in Revelation 20 is a direct word-for-word translation of the ancient Greek word for judgement. It's unfortunate for this chapter because the old Greek meaning must've been different. The important key when translating is to translate the meaning - so word-for-word is not always meaningful between different languages of different cultures at different times. (The KJV isn't a literal translation, btw).The meaning of 'judgement' has been lost because no translator has ever been trained, tested &certified by an independent board, the way NAATI translators need to be before translating modern languages for the U.N. So, these so-called translators really didn't know what a dead ancient language sounds like and they can't be 100% sure of it's grammar

    But the true meaning can only be "sentence". Just like modern courts, Judgement Day is Sentencing Day to send body&soul to the 2nd death in that Lake

    Rev 20:11-15 >The "dead" are souls, in resurrected bodies, who haven't heard of our God and/or did but didn't want to know. It likely isn't believers too because Jesus gave us eternal life ( John 3:16) &we do have a renewed spirit because we are born again ( 1 Peter 1:23), so we can't be called "dead". But we could also be present on this Sentence Dlay just to see it because some religious leaders& scholars now teach a newer idea, since the 19th or 20th C, that there is a separate judgement for believers regarding the quality of our works - that's based simply on 1 or 2 verses about a "seat" of Christ ( Rom 14:10). That debate isn't relevant here, but I'll just squeeze in that the text also refers to a judgement of everyone, dead or living ( Rom 14:9)
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    I know its popular to say that at funerals and to comfort those mourning, but I don't believe it's true. They might be in a 'better place' however, just not heaven, because all must wait for judgment. Also, it says the dead will rise to meet Jesus in the air. I'm sure it will be spiritual bodies, not physical ones that have rotted. It wouldn't make sense otherwise if people went straight to heaven to then go back to earth to an old body just to raise up and meet Jesus in the clouds, just for the ceremony of it. So, both scripture and logic refute that idea. Most people believe this because of Jesus telling the other guy on the cross that he would be in paradise. First, Jesus can pick whomever he wants to have special treatment- it doesn't automatically mean 100% of others will follow suit and ignore the other scripture. Secondly, paradise may not necessarily mean heaven. Paradise could be an intermediary place of rest or waiting. Just some thoughts. No one knows 100% until it happens. We just have scripture and logic.
  • Carleton - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    I have heard a thought that at least warms my heart when thinking about the time period after death and before the Marriage Supper.

    Some Christian cultures as folks are coming to a wedding have an meal or gathering perhaps the evening before. Because of long distance traveling the hour of the gathering is somewhat flexible to allow as many guest as possible to arrive. The guest arrive and mingle together in the fellowship of the Saints and likely speak of in a calm happiness the events that are so soon to take place while waiting on more guests to arrive.
  • What to expect during the Rapture for Believers who are ready - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    Briefly, if we have not been Caught Up in the clouds to meet Jesus yet:



    Our bodies or our ashes, remain in the ground.

    Our spirit and soul ascend to heaven to await "the Rapture", when our bodies will ascend into the clouds to be transformed into our eternal bodies that will never get sick or die. If our earthly bodies were not complete or marred in some way: our new bodies will be perfect; body , soul, spirit.

    All souls are Mine, says God in scripture.

    Once the dead in Christ are rejoined; then those alive on earth will ascend next To meet Jesus and everyone else in the clouds.

    Be watching for Jesus every day.



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