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  • Joe Bell on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    The 6th seal

    Rev 6:14 US/Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facility in Trumps 2nd term. There will be a quiet.

    Rev 6:12 brings an earthquake in Israel, opening them up for an easy invasion, then comes..............................

    The 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, 2nd woe

    Ez 38:1-17 America receives the "abomination of desolation" (Is 47, Joel 2:1-11, Rev 18), and Israel taken in the same hour, Luke 21:20-24.

    The beast (Russian Confederacy) crushes 5th trumpet Babylon (US/allies) to dust, Rev 9:13-21.

    The aftermath - Obadiah. So you see it was a family affair all along, Esau (Russia) mortally desolates Jacob (US/Israel) and God is mad.

    This is anti-christ's rule, between the 6th and 7th trumpets. A world without America.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    The Bible definition of an ANTICHRIST. 1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

    1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

    Did you know most of the self identified "Jews" in the Israeli state are from Eastern Europe and Russia?

    they are indeed.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Jesus was a Jew. He's not 'cursed'.

    Jews were God's chosen people and still are. I don't know why, but that's who God picked. That doesn't mean that Judaism is true. That belief denies Jesus, which is the central point of Christianity, to follow Christ. It's ok to condemn a false teaching, but not an entire people group.
  • Joe Bell - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Jews are not the chosen people, the Bible never says that. We are all chosen. However, it is Israel who is the apple of God's eye, not todays vile partner in crime with America (Mystery Babylon). The real Israel, the real tribes are hidden and lost in generations. It is original Israel that is reformed at the 7th trumpet, and not to include 1,300 year old impostors. Isaiah 14:1 The Lord will again choose Israel, after the Ashkenazi Jews courted satan to ruins.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    The Bible says the Israelites (Jews) were God's chosen people. Deuteronomy 14:2, Isaiah 44:1, Deuteronomy 7:6. Do you agree?
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Hello Adam,

    I know this is not for me, but I agree with you completely. There are several places in the bible that mention the chosen, and the elect, and it is speaking of Jews. I know of at least 20 places that speak of Jews being God's chosen people, including the verses you listed.

    Peter wrote his letters to the scattered Jews (the diaspora), and in 1 Peter 2:9, he says "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    These are all Jewish terms. Peter says you are a chosen generation. He's speaking to Jews. The word generation means race. The Jews are God's chosen race.

    He says you are a royal priesthood. And that's not for Gentiles. That's for Jews. You are a holy nation. You are a peculiar people;

    Now the peculiar people "might" apply to us. I know some pretty peculiar people that are not Jews! (He-he). But the word peculiar means people of a possession.

    I agree fully that the Jews are God's chosen people. They are also called His elect. Gentiles are never called the elect or chosen.
  • Joe Bell - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    The Israelites were not all Jews. The house of Israel were not Jews. The tribe of Dan were not Jews. The tribe of Joseph were not Jews. Only one tribe from the house of Judah is a Jew. Only the tribe of Judah were Jews.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Adam where does the Bible say that those in the modern day claiming to be Jews are indeed who they say they are?

    Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    2nd witness of Jesus in Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Jews are going to worship at the feet of Christians.

    Did you know the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL?

    Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."

    John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    How can anyone tell me that those who have the wrath of God against them for rejecting the Son is the "chosen people"

    King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

    Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

    "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

    But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Looks to me that those who hear the voice of Jesus are true sheep or the chosen people.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    How do you interpret the many verses that say Israel was God's chosen people? I'm sure you know the story about Israelites fleeing Egypt and settling in Canaan. Maybe you'd at least agree that they were God's chosen people at one point? What date do you think that ended? When the events of Jeremiah 3:8 happened? What if the divorce reference wasn't intended to mean that Israelites are no longer God's people but another explanation?
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Yes Israel is God's chosen people and this is proof

    Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then ARE YE are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

    nothing about we "BECOME" or "SPIRITUAL SEED" it says ARE YE the seed of Abraham.

    I believe Christians are the chosen seed.

    Others want to believe those who deny Christ, who are ANTICHRISTS, are the chosen seed.

    please prove to me the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible.

    King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

    Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

    "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

    But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and well I believe him.
  • Gracelyn Fletcher - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Hi Bob...In reply to the jews being anti-christs. You cannot call the entire nation of Israel anti-christ. Listen to the following of Gods holy word1 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!

    13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

    17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much will the natural branches, be grafted ....
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Bob,

    The requirement for salvation is to receive Christ and be born of His Spirit. That goes for both Jew and Gentile alike. Just because a person says "chosen" or "elect" does not mean they are saved. For a Jew or Hebrew person to be saved, they must receive Christ just like you and I. From the beginning, God chose a race of people, and it wasn't the Gentiles. Jesus came to His own (Jews), and they received Him not. Again, no salvation to those who did not receive Him. But there were many who did receive Him. He chose the twelve Jewish men. Were they all antichrist? I would say one of them was. It seems as though you have put a tag on every Jew as being antichrist, and that's not true.

    You ask for someone to prove to you the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible. There are several places in the Old Testament that talk about the chosen, but it would be a futile attempt at showing you if your mind is already made up that all Jews are antichrist or perhaps condemned forever.

    Do you pray for those Jews who are lost the same way you would pray for any other lost individual? Do you have a love and concern for a Jew who has not come to know Christ as their Messiah? We were not the chosen. We were later grafted into the tree to provoke the Jews to jealousy. We have their Messiah and it was God's plan to bring us in so that they would be jealous. Do you ever wonder that when Christ came, if the Jews would have received Him, what the fate of the Gentiles might have been?

    Instead of hating the Jews and constantly calling them antichrist, maybe out of love for them you might want to pray that their hearts would be receptive to the things of the Lord and that they might come to know Him the same way you and I have come to know Him!
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    I did not know quoting Jesus is hating Jews, thanks for letting me know.

    those over in the middle east would agree with you that Jesus is a jew hater and the most evil antisemite who

    ever lived per their own Talmud writings. After all he called them hypocrites and serpents on many occasions for their

    man made rules and misapplication of scripture. In Matthew 23 how many times did Jesus call the Pharisee Jews

    hypocrites?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    You are anti-Semitic.

    Do not call Jesus Christ anti-Semitic !
  • I am - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    BarJesus a false prophet ...........A JESUS WANNABE... WE AS A CERTAIN RACE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR WANNABES ......... Acts 13:6

    "And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:"
  • Joe Bell - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    When the whole house of Israel (all 12 tribes) left Egypt, the were lead by Moses, a Levite, not a Jew.

    Israel wasn't divorced, they were punished by God 7 times (7x 360 day/yrs = 2,520 years) according to Deuteronomy 26.

    1) The house of Israel were taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC + 2,520 years = 1,799 Ephraim became the British empire, and America (Manasseh) would come out of his twin brother. The US is a Corporation owned by London; The Act of 1871.

    2) Then, the house of Judah were taken captive to Babylon in 604 BC +2,520 years = 1917 Balfour Declaration, where Britain (Japheth born Rothschild) bought the false Ashkenazi Khazar Jews a home on land they had no claim to. Gen 10:2-3

    The lead house of Israel tribes (Ephraim, Manasseh--sons of Joseph) are the birthright people (land, wealth) per their Gen 48 blessing. The lands' ownership is effectively the house of Israel, not Judah.

    Our current climate of sustained chaos gets upended at the coming 6th trumpet, when Babylon America falls, Israel invaded. It's time for Jacobs trouble, and not Judah's trouble. Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11 & Rev 18, and the abomination of desolation set in America is very perplexing.
  • Joe Bell - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Correction:

    Israel wasn't divorced, they were punished by God 7 times (7x 360 day/yrs = 2,520 years) according to * Leviticus 26:14-18.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Just cause someone claims to be a jew does not make it so and the middle east is full of them.

    1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    I read and interpret these verses just fine and my comment stands. Jesus was a Jew. Matthew 7:1.
  • Joe Bell - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Yes, Jesus was a bloodline Jew of Seth, Semitic. Todays so called Ashkenazi "Jews" have no relation with the tribe of Judah. They are 8th century AD converts of Japheth (Gentiles). Gen 10:2-3 tells you that Ashkenazim was the grandson of Japheth, not Shem-Abraham, Issac & Jacob. Therefore the Ashkenazi Jew is European (between Black & Caspian seas) and Jewish by religion, not by genetics. The regular Jews amongst us are faultless, but not the small percentage of supplanters who sin greatly against God, the synagogue of satan.
  • Greg - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Bob Hilt,

    Our job is to love and teach, not judge.

    The disdain you have for our brothers (the Jews) is palpable.

    If the Jews are cursed, what do we do with Acts 28:26-28?

    Do we believe what Luke says?

    Last I checked, those that killed the prophets "SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" ( Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9).

    "SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT"

    "SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT"

    Do we believe the words of John?

    People can say they believe in anything they want. Show me your works and I will see your faith!

    The JEWISH high priest appointed by the Roman Governor that condemned Jesus was "of the synagogue of Satan," not a Jew.

    You say "ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist;" again, I would refer you to ( Acts 28:26-28).

    What about Muslims, Hindus, etc.? They deny God AND Jesus.

    Jews follow God. Last I checked, that was Jesus' Father also.

    As far as most of the Jews being from Eastern Europe and Russia, I am not sure the point you are trying to make.

    Most of us don't know our ancestry more than a few generations.

    How do you really know your ancestors aren't from Europe or Russia; and could have even been Jewish!
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    I do not deny Christ so I am not antichrist and we are to judge in righteousness

    John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    Jews who reject Jesus are cursed

    Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (ALL Pharisees are Jews) , hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

    There is only one door and it is Jesus and any Jew who rejects Jesus is rejected of God.
  • Greg - In Reply on Revelation 6 - 3 years ago
    Bob Hilt,

    Do you believe that God will break all of the promises He has made to Israel, the "apple of His eye?" ( Zechariah 2:8).

    Are you convinced that He will just forget His chosen people ( Deuteronomy 7:6, Isaiah 44:1, etc., etc., etc.)

    God is the Judge ( Psalms 54:1).

    You search the Scriptures to try to condemn God's chosen people and call Jews cursed.

    The Olive tree that your are trying to be grafted into as the wild branch are these same cursed Jews? Look at Romans 11:16-22.

    And what are you going to do with the words of Luke in Acts 28:26-29?

    Are we not going to believe another promise of God just so you can condemn our brothers?

    26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

    27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

    29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

    Will the Jews that love God not see and understand when the Messiah returns;

    and "every knee" will bow? ( Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:11)



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