Bible Discussion Thread

i have heard people say that they are part of a group that ascend and descend into heaven and have conversations with people and jesus i find it hard to answer my friends as i think they are far fetched but i would like another opinion please. they are apparently so elect group that have obtained this right as apparently so can we all and are a part of end times workers

The ladder in verse 12 is a depiction of Jesus as related to Nathanael by Jesus in John 1:51. He is the one and only mediator between God and man ( 1 Timothy 2:5). We can come boldly to the throne of grace by Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 4:14-16).

In John 3:13 Jesus tells Nicodemus "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Romans 10:6-9 states:

"But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Paul told of a certain experience in 2 Corinthians 12 then humbly chose to glory in his infirmities rather than exalt himself, being made strong in weakness.

Ephesians 2:4-7 says:

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

From these I gather that by faith in Jesus Christ we are as good as being seated in heaven in Christ, but as Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 5:6-7, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)".

Ask this group where they have authority to do this in the Bible.

Sounds more like familiar spirits and witchcraft which is forbidden.

You could ask them to renounce Satan.

Ask if Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and do they serve him as Lord.

an answer would be interesting

Your friends are crazy.

1 John 4:1-3 talks about how you know if a spirit is from God or not. A very easy, simple test. Aren't gems of wisdom like this great?

There let the way appear, steps unto Heav'n;

All that Thou sendest me, in mercy given;

Angels to beckon me nearer, my God, to Thee