Bible Discussion Thread

After 111 years and some, Noah needed a drink and probably enjoyed it a bit too much. He shouldn't have said that about his son and and its also a lesson in respecting peoples privacy and knock first instead of always barging in. You may just walk in on your naked dad which is something you can't unsee. Its important for us to think first before opening our mouths otherwise you may even curse your own children. God created all things by speaking and because we were made in His image and likeness our words are powerful too and have a lasting effect.

Bob,

What Ham did in his father's tent is fully explained and clarified by the laws given to Moses and written in the Book of Leviticus. The entire 18th chapter should be read for full understanding, but for emphasis; verse 8 will be highlighted below.

( Lev 18:8)

"The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness."

The act of seeing the nakedness of your father is, therefore, to have intercourse your father's wife. The transgression of Ham was the act of sleeping with Noah's wife. In this case, Noah's wife was also Ham's own mother.

So it is that when Noah was "uncovered within his tent ( Genesis 9:21), it was the wife of Noah who was actually violated, not Noah. Further documentation and clarification is also given concerning this type of transgression in the Book of Deuteronomy, where it is stated that; "Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt" ( Deuteronomy 27:20), also look at ( Deuteronomy 22:30).

As is stated in Genesis 9:18; "Ham is the father of Canaan." It is now plain to see that the transgression of Ham was the act of lying with his mother, and the result of that act was the birth of Canaan.

I think Greg is wrong here. I think it was as simple as it reads when Ham barges in on a drunk and naked Noah and his other sons walk in respectfully backwards and cover him up. No mention of Mrs Noah so best not to add to scripture and paint a wrong picture. Virtually no people on earth and poor Noah still can't get a bit of privacy.

Greg is totally right and here is more proof

Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

...And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness:...

Looking at them naked? I do not think so...

This would easily make sense of this was the step mom of Ham.

This may or may not be true of step mom, it might actually have been his mother

Leviticus 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. (this shows you this is talking about intercourse as to time of the month for a woman)

Leviticus 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.

Leviticus 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

That's an interesting interpretation Greg. I understand Lev 18:8 but how do you fit in Gen 9:23 to this event, again speaking about the father?

Greg, well written and explained. one thing more Ham could have done it with what could have been a step mother.

Yes the sin of Ham and Canaan. I always found it strange with all the begats in the bible that the mothers of Noah's kids are not mentioned.

Bob Hilt,

I am unaware of any more than one wife of Noah.

Scripture states that Noah and his "wife" ( Genesis 7:7, 13) went into the Ark.

Specifically 8 (Adamic) souls were saved upon the Ark ( 1 Peter 3:20).

That would be Noah, his wife, their 3 sons, and the three sons wives.

Is there any Scripture to back up what you are claiming?

I am not claiming anything, just pointing out the silence on the Bible on who is the wife of Noah.

possibly this was Ham's stepmom is all. Of course it could be his mother, just the Bible is silent on the exact specifics is all.

You can Google Noah's wife. Look at Wikipedia. Apparently her name is in other religious manuscripts that were not canonized into the Bible. If it's not in a genealogy listing, you may not see it.

Again, female names are not always recorded in Bible genealogy. She existed to be sure. She had 3 sons with Noah. She was recorded of the 8 persons on the ark.

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Speaking on Noah drinking a wee too much wine; is he to be condemned by us for that?! He was in HIS bedroom. Why did his sons enter the bedroom after seeing he was nude? Two sons tried to cover his nakedness and 1 son broke out in announcing what state his father abode! Rude! They don't make lamps big enough for his head!

We give people a hand up instead of calling the whole town in for a look.

Don't over read scripture, Noah was drunk and alone in his tent. His boys walked backward and covered him up . The wife was nowhere around. In a world with virtually no people Noah still couldn't get some privacy. The wine can make you say things you may regret.