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  • Cheryl on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    After reading this chapter, it has been a confirmation to me that many of these church leaders are following these demonic rituals of mask wearing and social distancing issued by government officials. Where are the religious leaders who stand up against anything that isn't of God's word?

    In the bible, God speaks of us to come before him in unveiled faces. Furthermore, it goes against God's wishes to social distance from your fellow neighbors and family members. God specifically tells us to be there for each other and love thy neighbor as you love yourself. In the book of Psalms, it states "Thou I walk through the valley of death; I shall fear no evil for thy rod and thy staff comfort me." All of these leaders of the church are illustrating their lack of faith in God as well as disobey the word of God. I have written pastors and the head of Archdioceses of Newark, NJ asking why are they going against to word of God and practicing social distancing and demonic face mask ritual? No one has written me back and the churches still are enforcing mask wearing and social distancing.

    I recall in one of the chapters; it speaks that people will need to make a alter in their home to worship. Well, it seems to be that time now brothers and sisters. If you continue patronizing these churches that are participating in the demonic face mask and social distancing, they are leading you straight into hell. God gave us an immune system that protects us from illnesses and he said "Trust in the Lord and fear not."
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Cheryl, I understand what you're saying here, but do you actually see this imposition by the government on you as a Christian, as something that is demonic & against the Word of God? Could it be that this is not just a case of a trial of your faith & practise, but of an obligation to society? In other words, you may be virus-free, but you may interact closely with one at Church who has it. Is it morally correct then, to throw caution to the wind, refuse to take helpful measures, and prevent the spread of the virus? I know we can truly claim & believe Ps 23:4 for ourselves personally, but I don't think it's prudent & a responsible Christian practice & witness, if we refuse to obey the authorities for the safeguarding of society.

    I could then apply this principle of faith by running red lights every time I go out in the car. Why should I obey the government that wants to stifle my freedom to drive & practising my faith that God will protect me according to His Word? Can I honestly believe that God will protect me every time? Or am I just taking an opportunity to test God (which is sin) & also disregard my life & other people's lives?

    But when we come to that time when the govt. refuses to allow Christians to meet together, or to read the Bible, to witness, or worship God, then yes, we must withstand them, as this affects our Christian beliefs & requirements of God. Our refusing them doesn't affect society - they only affect us because of their attempt to destroy our faith. So wearing a mask or keeping my distance, I see as an obligation to myself & to those around me & not in contravention to God's Word in any way.
  • Cher - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Also Chris, government officials are now imposing church members not to sing in the church because the lie that virus can be spread.

    If that's the case, why not have people just blow on a cotton swap than sticking it up their nose? I will tell you why because our government is lying about this contagion and you need to open your eyes to this evil agenda in my opinion.

    I guess you would just gladly oblige government orders and don't question it at all.

    In regards to your example of running a red light, we aren't talking about purposely driving recklessly. I am talking about following man's law that totally goes against God's Law.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
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    d. If the "government is lying about this contagion", why are so many dying 'like flies'? Is this too another government deception? Maybe this is actually not happening & it is some devious plot by wicked men to bring down society or totally enslave it? And this plot seems to be worldwide & it has truly gone 'viral'.

    e. And yes, I generally obey what the government requires me to do. Yet, I know some laws are not well thought through, even to absurdity, but the law is the law & the penalty is there for disobedience. I believe that the occasion of this virus is genuine according to what we are seeing & we need to do all that we are able, to keep ourselves, our families & society safe. I have both faith in God for the outcome and also a social responsibility to my fellow man: I don't see any incongruity between the two: I believe that God expects this of us as Christians & to maintain a healthy testimony to others, giving love & support to those who have succumbed to this evil.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
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    Cheryl:

    a. God did give us a perfect immune system, but after the fall, those systems became less than perfect. And this is proven by what mankind suffers throughout their lives, some much worse than others. Good "food & herbs" are important, but our sinful bodies have the final say.

    b. that's wonderful that you desire to follow "God's expectations". And I can't show you from Scriptures about mask-wearing or social distancing - maybe Covid-19 & other viruses were not evident then or the Bible book writers didn't include that aspect. However, the Bible does tell me in Rom 13:1-7 that I need to obey/be subject to the government, for if I disobey, then I show contempt to what God has ordained for us. Yet, there may be times now & certainly later, when the governments will require Christians to do what is contrary to our faith & God's requirements. Peter in Acts 5:29 spoke well to the Jewish leaders when the apostles disobeyed the law & began to preach Jesus: "We ought to obey God rather than men". So, there is a clear occasion when we must disobey - disobeying now because of this virus' presence & impact, is not the occasion.

    c. wearing masks may not be "good for our respiratory systems" but if they help to stop the spread of the virus & needless death, then I would think that it would be useful. For example, you're in a packed train going to work & someone next to you is sneezing & coughing profusely: how do you react? By all accounts, you would do nothing & trust God to protect you. That's great faith. But if your faith was a little diminished & you too suffered the same illness for a week or so, at least you expect to finally recover. With Covid, there is still hope for recovery for most, but for many, death looms (as published figures show). You may be ready to face your Maker, but the other person may not be in that joyful position. I wouldn't like to be in that position of sending one to his life's end, whether or not he was prepared for it.
  • Cher - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    This is all I have in response because it all boils down to God's word and faith.

    God didn't say to have faith in objects and he speaks against any idolizing of objects.

    God said clear and simply trust in him. Through him all things are possible.

    If you choose to put your faith into a government organization who uses practice of the khabal for evil and lying about facts, I will pray for you my friend to open your eyes.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Cheryl for your time & what you have shared. May your faith hold strong & keep you safe from this evil around us.
  • Cher - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Bottom line I follow God's law and not the law of man. With all do respect, your reasoning isn't faith base but more of following the law of government officials who all partake in devil worshiping and blood sacrifices.

    God gave us an immune system that protects us from any illness as well as provided the food and herbs that helps us recover from any illness.

    I am not obligated to anyone but carrying out God's expectations. You show a scripture in the bible that clearly states that mask wearing is not of demonic practices? You show me a passage in the bible where the bible says distancing from your fellow sister or brother in illness is God's wishes?

    You can't show such verse because God never said to do such thing. There is also a passage in the bible is where you know evil is when you are being told that bad is good and good is bad. Us wearing masks isn't good for our respiratory system and it's demonic. Social distancing creates psychological fears and it's bad for your mental state as well as creating fear of your fellow neighbors. Yet we are told by our government is is good but actual fact this is bad. It goes against God's law and it would be a good idea to study Gematria as well as Khabal. This is the demonic practices by our leaders and you my dear friend need to wake up to these facts.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Cheryl, boom! I agree with you 99%

    When this all started I remembered the scripture

    1 Timothy 2:1-2

    1 Peter 2:13-17

    But my personal conviction is not to wear the masks. I keep my distance as that is my personal way anyway but I have ministered to, touched hugged strangers, including unbathed homeless, in these days.

    2 Corinthian 3:14-18

    Romans 1:17

    I have had to face much opposition but I have to obey my LORD & follow HIM.

    Thank you for the additional scripture!

    Hebrews 10:23-25

    Isaiah 5:20-21

    2 Timothy 3 - 2 Timothy 4:1-5

    Mathew

    Mark

    Luke

    John
  • Cher - In Reply on Isaiah 1 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for your comment and it feels good to know there are others see the truth.



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