Bible Discussion Thread

  • Cynthia on Mark 16:15
    When was the true names of the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost taken out of the bible, The true name is Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Why do people ignore the name Emmanuel / Immanuel? it is in both the old and new testaments.

    Yeshua or Jesus? Heresy or Hebrew roots? Is Yeshua a denial of our English Bible that was new testament that was written in Greek, not Hebrew. No one can show us from the Bible alone that Jesus was ever called YESHUA.

    Luke Chapter 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

    27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

    28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

    29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

    30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

    31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

    (Angel Gabriel gave JESUS his name from the Lord)

    so by what scriptural authority does anyone have to call him YESHUa?

    32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his

    father David:

    33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    YESHU is a curse that means may his name be blotted out. This is commonly used by those who claim to be Noahides.

    They claim Noah was given a set of laws, yet they exist only in the minds of Rabbis. I can not find Noah being given any laws in my King James.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob, I think the question we would ask is, what did Jesus' parents, his siblings, disciples & the people call Him? It certainly wouldn't have been Jesus (English) or Yesus (Yay-soos - Gk). It was very likely 'Yeshua'. And I agree, 'Yeshu', could certainly not have been applied to Jesus by those who knew & loved Him, which as you know, is an acronym for a curse on Him: 'yimakh shemo ve zikhro = may his name & memory be obliterated. One day, they will see the One Whom they cursed & rejected, now high & lifted up, coming again in judgement against them, as God's Messiah.

    So the matter is, whether for us who speak English & read from an English Bible, should it be compulsory to use 'Jesus' as opposed to the Greek or Hebrew? Or, by using 'Yeshua', have we done any disservice to the normal meaning & understanding of the Scriptures? A further question: do those who consistently use 'Yeshua', ever revert to using 'Jesus' at other times? And, Why?

    At least, we know that the 'Yeshua' used by Hebrew speakers has the same meaning to the Messianic Jews though seen & used according to fulfilment to prophecies of Him. Unlike the 'Allah' in Islam/Arabic, which is difficult to equate to God (English), or Khuda (Urdu, amongst Christians), since the Doctrine of God can be quite different in its details. As too with 'Isa' in Islam/Arabic to 'Yesu' (Urdu, with Christians): different meaning again.

    And yes, have we forgotten the Name, Emmanuel, which is so important especially in establishing the incarnation?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    There are 5,000 Greek manuscripts of the new testament and ZERO Hebrew ones. Show me from the Bible YESHUa anywhere in the new testament and I know it does not exist.

    Greek was the common language of business in the days of Jesus. Even many Romans knew Greek.

    Alexander the Greek conquered the entire area and insured this happened. Alexandria Egypt was named for him.

    Rome only recently conquered Israel prior to the days of Christ. Do you really think Pilate spoke to Jesus at the trial in Latin or Hebrew? Mostly likely they spoke Greek.

    In Matthew 27:46 and 47 Jesus spoke Hebrew and the Jews did not even understand what he was saying.

    Paul said this about this YESHUa stuff

    Bible book of Titus 1:14 - Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    Q: Did Jesus take the Kingdom of God from the Jews?

    A: Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I (Jesus speaking to the Jews) unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (So what nation spread the news of Jesus?)

    Certainly not the Jews, so it was Greeks.

    Corinthians, Ephesians, Thessalonians were all Greek churches in Greece who spread the gospel, not the Jews.

    King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

    John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.


    If you want to call Jesus by a Hebrew name use Emmanuel / Immanuel since that name is in both new and old testaments.

    People google this " NOAHIDE YESHU" see how they feel about Jesus
  • Mishael - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    If you would preach the gospel like you do the state of The Jews in 2020; everybody sitting on the fence of indecision would get saved and born again.

    It is not for Christians to judge and condemn the Jewish people. That is Almighty Gods job. Why are you trying to do Gods work?

    The unsaved will know us by the LOVE we have for the brethern.

    They're not going to get saved by the sight of a chihuahua on top of the doghouse barking it's head off.

    Do you read daily news from Israel? There are plane loads of Jews who had been exiled in other countries, arriving in Israel, daily!!!

    They have papers; relatives that live in Israel. See? That's Gods work to get them back home.

    I've told you that we are Gentiles. We're waiting on fullness. We were told to follow Jesus. Go ye. Yes you are quoting scripture, but you spend too much time broadcasting Jewish sins with a bullhorn.

    You're a force to be reckoned with. That's Good! If you preached on spiritual warfare.. you'd have demons splat all over the walls in prayer request room.

    today is my birthday, yippee kiyay
  • John L - in Reply on Mark 16:15

    I agree, we are not the judge.

    Are we Gentiles though?

    Don't we as believers in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, form the collective "church" which makes up the "body of Christ."

    Gentiles are referred to as "goy" in Hebrew, and ethnos" in Greek, both being defined as a foreign people to the people of Israel, and to the believers in God.

    How do we know that we do not belong to the 10 scattered Tribes?

    Many that were scattered by God migrated over the Caucasus Mountains and settled Europe, the Americas, and Canada.

    In the United States, these people are called Caucasian.

    It was Jews that began the conversion of the world to Christianity.

    Our obligation today as Christians is the same as the believing Jews before Christ: Openly and boldly preach the word of God, and exclude no one that wants to hear. Judge not.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Mishael I do read Israeli news and I have read their writings and that is why I know what they do.

    They teach Jesus is the most evil antisemite who ever lived, not Hitler. what does that make his followers?

    Why do they teach this?

    Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Jesus in the Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    48 Then answered the Jews

    Then answered the Jews

    Then answered the Jews

    Then answered the Jews

    pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.

    Matthew 23:15 - Jesus speaks: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (Jews) , hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

  • John L. - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob Hilt

    Seems like some serious hostility toward our brothers the JEWS.

    Did Jesus come back for the seed of Satan, or for the lost (looking to be found) Tribes of the house of Israel?

    Plenty of people that call themselves Jews are not (Revelation 2:9, 3:9). Just as many today that call themselves Christian are not.

    Devout Jews believe in God OUR Father. Others are whatever they claim to be. An "unbelieving Jew" is called a Gentile; just as an unbelieving Christian is called a Gentile.

    The "Jews" that crucified Jesus CLAIMED to be Jews, as the High Priest was the leader of them. But their actions spoke of them that are of the synagogue of Satan.

    The Apostles were of the house of Israel (Jews); otherwise they would not have been chosen.

    Were not the JEWS PURPOSELY BLINDED BY GOD until the return of Jesus? (Acts 28:25-28)

    Did God not say that He would restore His people; the JEWS? (Romans 11:26) The Deliverer (Jesus) will turn ungodliness from Jacob (ALL 12 TRIBES)

    Are we not grafted into THEIR tree? (Romans 11:17-24)

    Our brothers need our spiritual guidance, not our disdain (Galatians 3:29).

    In addition, I do not believe that Jesus the King of the JEWS came speaking Greek. He spoke it when needed.

    Those that were with Jesus at the cross at the 9th hour knew the Hebrew words being spoken (Matthew 27:46-47, Mark 15:34-36).

    The inscription left by Pilate was written FIRST in Hebrew.

    Hebrew is the language given by God to His chosen people.

    Hebrew is the only language that is both pictorial and phonetic, as well as having it's number system based upon it.

    The Hebrew letters form the words our Creator spoke when forming the world.

    Jesus is the Aleph and the Tav; not the Alpha and the Omega. Jesus is every word of Scripture. That ultimately is Hebrew, and not any other language.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    John L so the words of Jesus are "serious hostility" towards the Jews?

    That is what the Jews write in their commentaries about Jesus and how evil he was for condemning their religious practices.

    Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 2:14 thru 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

    I suppose Paul is an evil antisemite also along with Jesus

    John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

    Rome did not conspire to kill Jesus, guess who did?
  • John L - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob Hilt,

    You may have misunderstood what I said.

    And to answer your question; No, I do not believe Jesus the king of the Jews or Paul the writer of most of the NT to be an anti-Semite.

    I said YOU had hostility toward the JEWS; not Jesus or Paul.

    Are the Jews THAT BELIEVE IN GOD cursed or blinded?

    Will God save His people Jacob or will He back out on all of His promises?

    And I said that YOU were mistaken concerning Jesus speaking Greek and not Hebrew, the oldest language in the world. Any comment on that?

    In addition, I stated that YOU were mistaken concerning the Greeks spreading the Gospel and not Jews, as Christ came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel; and it was spread from there.

    And I said that you were mistaken concerning the understanding of the word Jews.

    Do you really believe that all God fearing Jews are condemned to death? Again, what of the promises of God to the Jews? Not the non-believers, but the believers.

    Those that CLAIM (that means that they are not Jews) to be JEWS BUT ARE NOT..

    Why are they NOT Jews?

    Because they are of the synagogue of Satan. That makes them NOT followers of God anymore.

    The people that conspired to kill Jesus were children of the synagogue of Satan CALLING THEMSELVES JEWS.

    Just because the Jewish High priest may have been of Jewish descent (he was appointed by the Roman Governor) it did not automatically make him a follower of God. He was a murderer.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    People those over in the Israeli state claim to be Jews, yet there is NO PROOF only their word. They state the new testament is the most evil antisemitic book ever written and Jesus is the most evil of them all. These are their words, not mine.

    Paul said: Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    Google "NOAHIDE YESHU" and learn why many "Jews" are deaf to the gospel since they have committed the unpardonable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    They claim Jesus performed his miracles (they admit he did) by the power of Satan. Bible witness

    Mark Chapter 3:22 And the scribes (Jewish copiers of the Bible) which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

    28 Verily I (Jesus) say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

    29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

    30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. (possessed of a devil)

    They teach this to this day.

    King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

    John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

    The "Jewish" noahides as above mentioned teach Jesus worshiped a brick.

    Mary was a prostitute who got pregnant with a Roman soldier named Pantera.

    Jesus performed magic via stealing the name of God from the synagogue.

    This is why Christian countries expelled them from the land, not cause they were "antisemitic"

    they did not like the blasphemy of Jesus, and neither do I.
  • John L - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob Hilt,

    Again, it seems that you may be confusing "Jews" with children of the Devil.

    As YOU state.... These people CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM to be Jews. They are LYING LYING LYING.

    The words you quote concerning Jews are those CLAIMING, CLAIMING, CLAIMING, to be Jews.

    What does Jesus say concerning those CLAIMING CLAIMING CLAIMING to be Jews? THEY ARE LYING. They are of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN (Revelation 2:9, 3:9). No longer Jews; and may never had been.

    What is their fruit? People are judged by words and actions.

    A Christian that stops believing in Jesus is no longer a Christian.

    People of any descent or country origin can live in the land of Judea and be called an inhabitant of the land of Judea; a Jew.

    Just as a person of any descent or country origin living in the land of New York can be called a New Yorker.

    Most God fearing Jews consider Jesus to at the very least be a great prophet. They do not dismiss the writings of the NT as "the most evil and antisemitic book ever written, and Jesus the most evil of them all." Those are words that sound like they would come from the mouth of a child of Satan.

    I find no issue with the 7 Noahide general laws.

    The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated are the following:

    Not to worship idols.

    Not to curse God.

    To establish courts of justice.

    Not to commit murder.

    Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality.

    Not to steal.

    Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

    Do you have a problem with abiding by any of these laws?

    I have issue with the interpretation of them by children of the synagogue of Satan that skews them.

    Man screws everything up.

    We DISCERN, we do not JUDGE.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    If Jews considered Jesus to be a great prophet they would have to believe his claim to being God.

    then they would cease to be a Jew and be a Christian.

    But the Noahide laws only exists in the minds of Rabbis.

    The Noahide laws are not in the Bible and yes I agree with you that I do not like the Kabbalah "Jews" who

    interpret these so called non biblical laws.

    Look into Kabbalah, the soul of Judaism and see what most believe who claim to be "Jews"

    it matches the synagogue of satan description of Jesus in Revelation 2:9 exactly.
  • John L - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob Hilt,

    I am Christian and I don't believe that Jesus is God.

    Where does Jesus state in Scripture that He IS the Father?

    I believe Jesus is Jesus (the Son) and God is God (the Father)

    I agree, the Noahide laws are not in the Bible.

    My question to you concerning the 7 Noahide laws was whether you were against any of them?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    John L - you need to reconcile who Jesus is before you are concerned with the Noahide laws that are not in the Bible.

    1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

    Who is this about? "God was manifest in the flesh"

    John Chapter 10:28 And I (Jesus) give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (How can Jesus, if a mere man give eternal life?)

    29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

    30 I and [my] Father are one. I and [my] Father are one, I and [my] Father are one.

    31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

    32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

    33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    (Jesus never told them they misunderstood)

    How about Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Only God can forgive sins and Jesus told some their sins were forgiven.

    So is Jesus a deceiver or is he God in the flesh as 1 Timothy 3:16 states?

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us US make man in our image, after OUR our likeness:

    Should we believe the Lord is speaking to the angels?

    Please do a study on the Godhead and quit being concerned about made up laws that exist only in the minds of antichrist rabbis.
  • Adam - in Reply on Mark 16:15

    John 10:30 - How do you interpret this verse?

    John 1

    Confusion around this topic isn't surprising as God can mean the father, the son, and holy spirit, or 'God' can mean just the father. Jesus is called Lord and the son of God and He prayed to God the father. Jesus has many other nick names too.

    Do any of these verses influence your perspective?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    John 10:30

    I and my Father are one.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob, thank you for your comments: I have seen your other posts elsewhere sharing your understanding on this. Yes, I do agree that the NT does not show the Heb. Yeshua, simply because it was written in Common Greek as Yesus, though I seem to understand your position is not simply on that point, but on a much stronger stance against the Jewish nation, that they are now the rejected forever - the Accursed. Therefore, the matter of using the Name Yeshua, is but one point in forming the larger picture you share.

    I have read of the Noahide movement & of those who abide by those Laws & shun the Christ of the Bible, & as disgusting as that might be, it is no wonder that Satan will do whatever is in his power to distort & defame the Glory & Truth of Jesus Christ. So too, not just amongst many Jews, but also evident in every religion, to some degree. For the Jews as God's chosen, it becomes particularly sad, as they had long ago believed a lie & under pressure from the religious elite, succumbed to the wiles of Satan & now cut out from the olive tree. Yet, according to Romans 11:26,27:

    "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

    Yes, the Kingdom of God was taken away from the Jews. But that was for a time, awaiting the fullness of the Gentiles to come in: Romans 11:7-21. They are indeed under a curse, but I still see a day coming when there will be a healing & restoration of Israel. However, I remember your comments elsewhere about the 'dilution or mixing' of Jewish blood which negates their purity; but how can we understand their 'invalidity' in the light of Scripture?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    shall all who claim to be Israel be saved?

    Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    So do these get saved without Jesus?

    John in John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Jesus in Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, and I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    Q: Is there another plan of salvation for unbelieving Jews?

    A: Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (What name? Yeshua?)

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    Ezra 9:1 - Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

    Ezra 9:2 - For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the HOLY SEED holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands:
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Bob, I fully agree that Israel, both then & now are in a terrible spiritual state, even those of them that have 'a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge'. They have indeed proven themselves unworthy to partake of the Grace of God & are entirely reprobate.

    Yet, how do we account for the many Scriptures from both the OT & NT, that show that even in spite of their spiritual condition, they will still figure very prominently in the last days & even at the appearing of the One Whom they pierced. Zechariah chapters 12 to 14 clearly show a coming time when Israel will not only be protected but will be restored back to their position according to election.

    So, is there "another plan of salvation for unbelieving Jews?" I see that those Jews living at the time of Christ's coming, as also the remnant of the Gentiles, will have the opportunity to partake in Jesus' Millennial reign. Many I know will refuse, but for the Jews who knew the Scriptures & see the Messiah of God come in fulfilment of those Scriptures will have their eyes opened & experience that glorious light that will pierce those long deceived & clouded hearts.

    What does this healing & restoration then do to the preaching of the Gospel before that time? Why do we bother now if there exists a further opportunity for the remnant on the Earth to be saved? I understand that the Gospel is preached now so people everywhere, at their death, can enter into eternity with God as their Father rather than be estranged from Him forever in Hell. The Great Tribulation will decimate the world's population, as no virus can, but those who survive that, including Israel, will still live on: some to live with Christ in His Kingdom on Earth, & others rejecting Christ, outside those walls & destined to the Lake of Fire at their death. To wipe out Israel altogether from prophecy about her, would be very difficult & dangerous for me to do.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    I hope you'll be back soon. A lot of people and teens are dropping in. We need your mercy and kindness.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Sorry, should have read Mishael.

    Auto correct problem.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Michael, I'm travelling extensively in the northern parts of W.Australia. No access to my home computer & often no internet. Also, I dedicate several hours to responding here, which I can't give now. Hopefully, will be back at the end of the month. Remembering you all in this ministry.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    You are very much missed. Your kindness & thoughtful responses are a treasure to the people who read them.

    I am glad you are in a change of scenery! That's the best kind of getaway.

    I got a note from Peter. He sounds in high spirits and that's always a blessing. He said Hi to you.

    I'm grateful to God, who extends traveling mercies to us when we travel. I pray you find favor not only with God, but with people you meet and the critters. May God open your heart to entertain angels And unaware; and for them to go before you and be your rear guard. See you soon.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 16:15
    Sorry, should have read Mishael.

    Auto correct problem.


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