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  • Alex on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Dear Brother or Sister in Christ,

    I am still not satisfied with the answers given for Jesus' lineage. It is critical that Jesus be a descendant of David to fulfill the prophesy that David's son will be the ruler of the kingdom. If we use the lineage given in Matthew it connects David by blood down to Joseph which has nothing to do with Jesus' bloodline. At best Joseph is Jesus' step father, a non-blood. There is no mention that Joseph legally adopted Jesus as his son. Jesus has no blood relation or legal relation (recorded) to Joseph. And, after the story of Jesus disappearing for 3-4 days at the age of 12, after the festival of Passover in Jerusalem, Joseph is never mentioned again. He is a truly insignificant figure in Jesus' life. Whereas, his mother Mary is mentioned a number of times even at his crucifixion in John 19:26. Unfortunately, the lineage in Luke is "assumed" to be that of Mary's but not stated. For Jesus to be a blood relative of David it is important to know not assume this to be the case. In the past years, this has not been important but has become so since this is a key prophecy and fulfillment of God's covenant. The best I can come to is Jesus was a man/God and was a Spiritual son/Lord of David and of God, the Almighty.

    Respectfully,

    Alex
  • D.J. - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Alex,

    The legal term for adoption can be found in Luke 3:23. The term "as was supposed" is defined as "as reckoned by law / "to lay down a thing as law" / "to hold by custom, or usage." This is the legal term used for adoption.

    The father of Joseph is Jacob, as can be seen from Matthew 1:16.

    The father of Mary is Heli, as can be seen from Luke 3:23.

    The lineage of Jesus goes from Mary, through David, through Adam, to God Himself.

    The birth of the Savior of the world was promised long before prophecy of David came into light. ( Genesis 3:15). The birth of this One will defeat death itself.
  • Mishael - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    I already responded to your question. Did you check your email?
  • Mishael - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    People have made charts of Jesus's genealogy through Mary

    And Joseph too even though he was a step father. No blood connection. He was however a descendant of King David.

    A baby always has its fathers blood type.

    The only connection to the mother is for sustenance.

    That's how Jesus's blood was SINLESS. That's why His blood is so Powerful.

    Check those charts out on Google.
  • Alex - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Mishael,

    I do understand that Joseph is related by blood to David but that has nothing to do with Jesus since Joseph was only a step father, no blood relationship. I also understand that a baby has his father's blood. That is the original point of my question. The only blood is this birth is from the mother, Mary. The father is our Father, God Almighty and his spirit came upon Mary to conceive Jesus as scripture says. So, the lineage of Joseph is immaterial. God's Spirit is the father and Mary's blood is necessary for Jesus to be blood lined to David. But there is no mention in scripture of Mary's bloodline. I guess I have to accept that the lineage told in Luke for some reason just does not mention Mary and we are to only assume it is Mary's.
  • Alex - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Chris for the very helpful, thorough and expansive answer to my question. Truly appreciated and I do believe it gives me closure to my question. I know it is faith that is dominant in following Jesus. At the same time, when doing a deeper study questions do come to awareness and while my faith was not disturbed I could not get closure on my reasoning with it being an assumption that it was Mary's lineage in Luke 19:23.
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Alex, I would have liked to send you a link that I believe will give you more information that you are seeking, but I'll try doing it this way:

    Go to the site: StackExchange. At Search All Sites, type in How could Jesus be descended. Hopefully, you will see the first discussion that has one David Connor giving a very useful reply.

    Personally, I've always had a sense that this Holy Seed from God was implanted in Mary without any contribution from Mary's body towards the growth & development of the embryo. In other words, the embryo was sustained & nurtured in the womb by the Spirit & that Jesus' birth through humanity was purely to provide an incarnation & physical evidence of a Davidic lineage. We know that God could have just as easily taken His Word & clothed Him in humanity to accomplish His purposes without the need of a physical birth. But He chose to use humanity to achieve that end, to fulfil prophecy concerning the Davidic line of His Messiah ( Isaiah 11:1-5).

    I then use this rationale to believe that Jesus was born into the world without a sin nature (unlike us), & that at His temptation ( Mt 4), Satan's sole objective was to force upon Jesus a sin nature, just as He did to Adam & Eve. Unlike the first Adam, the Last Adam withstood Satan using His Own Word. I should also say, that I know of some believers that believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature (through Mary) as we have also through our parents, but He resisted Satan so as to not succumb to sin (unlike us). I don't accept this view as it compromises the Holiness of God & His Seed.

    But this is the other side of your question that leads to your enquiry as to which line does Jesus' ancestry go through & how that is accomplished, & therefore my comment above doesn't answer what you want to know, but may help. So I hope that Site will offer you more guidance in this.
  • Mishael - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    I googled the blood factors and you're right. He has his fathers blood and an alelle factor from Mary.

    His blood type can be the Fathers blood.

    We do know the Bible says that Jesus is WITHOUT sin right up to the Cross.

    I have a couple of those genealogy charts from googling. You have to save it to your photos to be able to enlarge it so you can read it. Just google "genealogy of Jesus".
  • Alex - In Reply on 2 Samuel 13:20 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Mishael for all your thoughts and research to my questions and for caring so much to help answer my question.



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