Bible Discussion Thread

  • John L QUESTION on Luke 1

    God said Adam would die "in that day" Genesis 2:17 that he partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but he lived until 930 years old.

    God said that the flood of Noah's time would destroy "every living substance" (Genesis 7:4, Genesis 7:23) from the face of the earth," yet the dove sent by Noah plucked an olive leaf from an olive tree after the flood. A tree is a living substance.

    If these phrases are taken at face value, would there not be a discrepancy in the Word of God?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Luke 1
    If you would read an entire chapter from start to end, you would have your answers!

    Adam and Eve died SPIRITUALLY, not physically. They were banished from Eden, but still alive. Read through to the genealogies.

    Same thing with Noah:

    7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

    8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see IF THE WATERS were abated from off the face of the ground;

    9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

    10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;

    11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were ABATED from off the earth.

    Jesus was coming through Noah's bloodline/ genealogy.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Luke 1
    John seems you are ignorant (not knowing something) so please allow me to show you something

    2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Yes Adam lived 900+ years human wise and died in one day in the eyes of the Lord, since a day to the Lord is as

    1,000 years.

    There is no discrepancy with the Bible that I have found.
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 1
    Hi John,

    Happy to offer my opinion.

    1. Genesis 2:17. Adam did die. Death and aging didn't happen before that. So, Adam was instantly separated from God spiritually (spiritual death), and began a slow process of physical death from that point on via aging. And if God killed him instantly, you'd probably have people criticizing that too and making negative claims and assumptions about that, so he allowed Adam (and people in general) to have a long life.

    "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." - sounds like you're interpreting this as thou shalt surely die 'that day', but it doesn't say that. It says in 'the day' that he eats it ... this will happen (death), but it didn't say how soon the death part would occur. It seems to mean spiritual death + death through aging.

    2. Genesis 7:4 - "every living substance". The Bible already explained this. Just like in writing class you often write a general thesis at the beginning then later explain more specifically what it means this is what's done here. It doesn't mean it's inaccurate. Simply keep reading. Genesis 7:21-23 it specifically says "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:"

    22 says each with nostrils, 23 gives examples which are land animals. It says substance, but appears to mean animals.

    The other possibility is that the olive tree was dead and came back to live when the waters receded, but I don't think so, because it would have explained that when it was specific in verses 21-23.


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