Bible Discussion Thread

  • Rj on Romans 8:34
    Could someone explain predestination to me? Does that mean that someone could be thinking they are saved but are not? Could that mean we are praying for some that have no chance? I must have this wrong, how will someone know if they are truly saved? How do i explain this to those who ask me?
  • Brendan - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    Predestination refers to first Earth age-Genesis 1:1. It was perfect and beautiful. We all existed in Spirit bodies. Genesis 1:2 refers to the destruction of the first Earth age. It will take too long in writing to explain so I refer you to YouTube. Three world ages Shepherds Chapel. Find out about the elect. Those that stood with God ago lucifer. This is the mystery that Paul writes about.
  • Frank - in Reply on Romans 8:24
    This passage is a clear exposition of the Biblical doctrine of Election. Man does not will himself to be saved, it is entirely a work of the Spirit of God. See John 1:12, 13 - we are born of God, we do not give birth to ourselves by asking Jesus into our hearts. Show me an example of anyone in Scripture being saved by praying a prayer to ask Jesus into their heart. Also John 3 explains that the Spirit does a work that can only be seen by its effects like the wind blowing through the trees and being born again is something the God wills and performs in us. Also 1 Cor 13:48 - only those that God ordained will come to Him by faith. See Arthur Pink on the doctrine of Election: search google for monergism pink election pdf - this website will not allow me to post the link
  • Mishael - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    God created us in His own Image and Likeness. God gave Adam & Eve free will.

    All humans have free will. To choose right or to choose wrong. Jesus stands at the door of our hearts and knocks. If you opened that door and asked Jesus to come into your heart Forever, then you are his child now. I am my beloveds, and my beloved is Mine.

    Some people run away like the prodigal son and sin for a season; but you can always run back to Jesus and rededicate your life if you really mean it. Stay strong with God.

    Satans name is accuser. He tries to get us to recant every day, as long as he thinks he has a chance to do that. If your spiritual ears hear that mean accusing voice: say, I resist you devil, in the name of Jesus! You must flee now into outer darkness and dry places!!

    Hold on to what you know and go forward: follow Jesus. Call 1 800 700 7000 and ask for a Bible. I send them money for these kind of things. My gift to you :)
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    Rj, I understand Predestination (as for example, given in Ephesians 1:4,5) as entirely a matter of God's Knowledge ONLY & not brought into our realm of understanding or even, our concern. God wouldn't be the Omniscient God He is, if He didn't know the beginning from the end, about each of our lives (even before our birth), & our future response to Him. So when I read this passage that we have been chosen & predestined, it doesn't mean that God specifically chose some & not others, as that would mean that the God of the Bible is not a God of Love & Mercy to all. He does love all of us more than we can imagine & not willing that any of us go to Hell & that is why Jesus commanded His disciples (Matthew 28:18-20) to go into all the world to preach the Gospel so we all get the opportunity to be saved.

    Yet, God still knows that even with the preaching of the Gospel, many will totally reject His Son, preferring Hell to Heaven. This Knowledge of God reveals His Predestination for each of us. God never refuses a pleading sinner who comes to Him for salvation, but God knows those that won't come & this only serves to prove His knowledge & predestining that person to Hell.

    So if one is truly born again, he will know it because of the Spirit's change in him & a new life of power, of love & a sound (spiritual) mind. His salvation is proof to him of already been known by God - hence his predestination to eternal life. Our prayers for the unsaved are simply our cry to God for the Spirit to convict them of sin; we can never presume to know who are going to be saved & who are not - that is all in God's knowledge - our knowledge is our commission to share the Gospel. So, if a person wants to know for sure whether he is saved, he has had to truly repent, believe in the work of the Cross, receive Christ by faith, experience new birth from the Spirit, be water baptized soon after, & live as a child of God in study of the Word, prayer, fellowship & engaging victoriously in spiritual battles.
  • Adam - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    Hello, I don't believe our lives are predestined the way most think of the word. I believe God can have a general plan or will for our life, for example, what talents and abilities and gifts we have, but I don't believe every detail is planned out. That would go against freewill. We're not robots. We are tested in this life whether we will choose good or evil, whether to love or hate. People have complete freewill to choose. Everyone has an opportunity to follow Jesus and be saved and spend an eternity in paradise. It's their choice. Praying for people is good. Praying that their heart will be open to the truth. We can't 'save' others though, only God does that, but secondly they must choose it themselves and if they genuinely believe and have faith and repent and confess their sins and turn their life to follow Jesus, or not.


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