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  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia on 1 Samuel 2:8
    For the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

    May I ask - a simple question?

    "HOW CAN A SPINNING BALL EARTH BE SET UPON PILLARS??"

    Let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4)
  • Mitchell Wright - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    That is a metaphore for the foundation of the world. The bible talks about paths in the seas in Psalms 8, and really that is talking about ocean currents. Pillars of Creation are also mentioned and you dont see those either.

    This is the truth.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    Peter, clearly the word 'pillars' in 1 Sam 2:8 should be understood as 'foundations', just as a house that is supported on pillars firmly attached to its foundations. It can't be understood as literal pillars - it wouldn't make any sense. Therefore, the foundations are not literal but speak about all that God had decreed & purposed for mankind (see previous verses).
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    Well God bless you abundantly Chris - whether pillars or a foundation, On a spinning ball Earth model - Neither can be possible . in fact as you said a house, or I say this tent (with a firmament over it) the Lord has provide for us us to dwell in - Must have a foundation

    Psalms 61 is just one of the many places the earth is referred to as having ends or corners - In all the years I have lived on this Earth - I have never seen a ball with ends or corners!!

    Even the controlled media gets all confused trying to keep the lie - I ask you this - How many times have you heard the expression " We bring you news from all corners of the GLOBE" rather a strange statement - Don't you think?

    Anyhow mate - "Let God be true and every man a liar"

    Earths cosmology has nothing to do with salvation - BUT! Everything to do with DECEPTION

    Once again Chris - May the lord God almighty bless you and your family abundantly

    I only reply to comments once, as I find it fruitless volleying emails back and forth - Lets both pray for revelation of the truth from the builder himself - Flick him a prayerful email in the Spirit and see what his reply is - I'm 100% happy with my answers
  • Elizabeth F McVeigh - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2
    I have found there is deception in every area of man's knowledge. The Bible is the only truth. I believe the scriptures say the earth is flat. I am interested to know how you interpret the earth having corners and yet being a circle.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2
    Elizabeth, there have been & will be a lot of comments thrown about on this subject. I don't want to buy into it, but to ask you three questions:

    1. have you ever seen a tall ship coming in from the (flat) horizon? You can use a pair of binoculars to get a better view, but what do you see? First the upper part of the ship appears (i.e. the funnel, mast or bridge), then the lower part appears (i.e. the hull). Why is this? Now, if the Earth was flat, we should see the whole ship as soon as it comes into view, shouldn't we, & not parts of it?

    2. have you actually seen a Lunar Eclipse, i.e. when the Earth comes between the Sun & the Moon & casts its shadow on the Moon. Again those binoculars will come in handy if you want to see one clearly, but when you look at the progression of a full lunar eclipse, what is the shape of the Earth's shadow on the moon? Is it straight line? Or does it reveal a slight curve, depicting a small portion of the circumference of the Earth?

    3. and in reference to Isaiah 11:12: "four corners of the Earth". It has already been explained that this is just an expression to denote the 'full expanse of the Earth'. But why I mention this now is because of what you just wrote: "I have found there is deception in every area of man's knowledge". Now, we all know that "area" is a lineal measurement & it would be difficult to ascribe that measurement to man's knowledge, since knowledge is stored in groups of neurons in the brain & difficult to measure in lineal terms. So, to be true to English usage in this regard, we must admit that maybe, just maybe, the 'four corners of the Earth' are not literal corners, just as 'every area of man's brain' is not a literal measurement.
  • Mishael on Flat Earth Theory - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2
    You'd be interested in Googling 'pillars of the earth' and looking at some of the art people have imagined (set google on images). It gets wild :D

    A lot of people in 1200s and forward we're working on scientific theories.

    Actually, 2000 years ago, they figured the earth was following the same path every day around the Sun.

    The short of it (lots of proof by NASA); moons travel around planets; planets travel around the Sun. Then the wild cards: comets and meteors.

    Earth is the only planet held in the sweet spot of our universe. Atmosphere,

    Gravity, Ozone, Water, Oxygen, Nitrogen, etc.

    The biggest thing about it is what happens in 2nd Peter 3:4-12. It's all gonna burn.

    Oh, and verse 3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the Last Days scoffers, walking after their own lusts.

    PBS.org has many videos of these wonders we discuss. Photos of Pluto which is sadly not a planet anymore I guess ?
  • Peter Grant - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2
    Greetings and Gods blessings to you Elizabeth - So invigorating to find someone that believes God's word as truth and not the idol theories of men that (try as may) discredit his Creation - There as so many that say "OF course I believe in creation and not evolution, yet refuse to as accept FACT described in Genesis and many other Books that totally disprove a spinning ball Earth!

    The Earths cosmology is not as simple as flat or round. From what I understand from the study I have been doing over the last five years, from others, far more knowledgeable than I in this subject.

    There are many more dimensions, Realms, energy fields and forces way beyond our comprehension that make up this realm we perceive as 3D reality.

    Here is what I believe - The Earth is a circle (not a ball) with the ice wall of the Antarctic holding in the great Oceans - Water is always level and can not bend ( it's referred to as Sea level?) - I ask this question also - Why do they call Antarctica as the "Arctic Circle?" This circle we live on has a dome over it (The firmament) with the stars Sun & Moon revolving within this circlet. It's a bit hard to go into great detail, but to simply put it Heaven is described as having corners also - This could mean the circle and the dome are contained in the realm of heaven that is square and has corners - Believe me Elisabeth, I am continually asking for wisdom to understand the Masterpiece of the Almighty- But who can know the mind of Yahweh " But he asks us to to be truthful and search with faith and honesty" - As proverbs says "Knowledge is a principle thing"

    I trust what I have learnt has help you on your quest for the truth of the Earths cosmology

    Of this one thing I am totally sure - No man NASA or Scientist will ever convince me we live on a Ball spinning at a 1000 MPH then at 67,000 around the Sun there is no way those sorts of speeds could not be detected and you know what -

    THEY CAN NOT!! Gods richest blessings to to you and your family
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2
    Hi Elisabeth,

    I agree there is great deception and I agree the Bible is truth and accurate and I've read the whole Bible and have never read anywhere where it says the earth is flat. I read the opposite though, that the Earth is a circle. I interpret this as a sphere and this can easily be tested and confirmed with GPS, math, going high altitude and seeing the curvature yourself, or flying around the world. Have you ever flown transcontinental? All you have to do is buy a plane ticket to a destination on the opposite side of the earth as you and when you get there, make sure your return flight continues the same direction you want to go and you will return to where you started. So, you can fly the same direction and end up where you started. Obviously if the earth was not a globe this would not happen, and obviously you'd see an 'edge', but no, pilots and business people who fly millions of miles for work would have noticed such a thing by now if it existed.

    Psalms 61:2 does not use the word 'corners', it says end of the earth. To me this means the entire earth. 'End' is figurative. You could say the Earth 'ends' at the sky or where there is no more land, but the Bible has figurative language. Look at the rest of the same verse: lead me to the rock that is higher than I. If you interpret this literally, you could claim that you need to start rock hunting as if you're literally searching for a rock and that rock is higher than you, so it must be above your head- maybe even floating, because if it has a base then at least part of it would not be above you. But which way is up? What if you're upside down, do you still look for a rock above or below? Do you see what I mean by figurative vs. literal? End of earth is simply a phrase meaning the entire earth. For example, communion, when Jesus says eat my body and blood, do you think we're supposed to be vampires and literally eat him? No.

    What Bible verses do you believe support a flat earth?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE circle of the EARTH earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

    It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE circle of the EARTH earth,...SO IS THE EARTH A PANCAKE?

    So believe in Jesus and the flat earth and thou shalt be saved? really?

    How does believing in a flat earth edify the Lord or change anything?

    is the moon and the sun flat also?
  • Charlotte - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    Think of the word circle as a verb...The earth turns in a circle.. The word circle in the Hebrew also means compass,and circuit.

    Circuit also as a verb.move all the way around (a place or thing).

    As the earth does around the sun.

    Compass verb

    1.

    go around (something) in a circular course.

    As we know the earth does.

    Perhaps the word never implied the shape at all.
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    Well I'm LLLLLOL - it does't change a thing my friend - But It means you disbelieve Gods word and how he created this wonderful flat plain with a dome (firmament) we live on -

    Oh! by the way a circle is not a ball - I Won't reply to you after this - your reasoning is too narrow - And you try to convince me I'm in error with only 1 verse of scripture that is incorrect - I can give you over 200 that disprove your beloved spinning ball theory -May God Bless you abundantly Sir!!
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on 1 Samuel 2:8
    All good - God Bless!


 

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