Bible Discussion Thread

  • James brooks on Ruth 3:15
    Hi Chris,you said that our Heaven Father gives us all that David received,I believe that as well.But is He giving us far more?He gave us a sure salvation through His Unique Son.Don,t you think that David was granted salvation through that same Unique Son,as well as us?David was after GOD,S own heart, he was GOD,S choice.I believe that David was saved by the same Jesus that saved Me.God graciously promised that one day Christ would come into the world as a Lamb foreordained before the foundation of the world(1 peter 1:19-20)I think will bring clarity to what i,m trying to say.By faith Abraham was credited as righteousness.all who has faith in Abraham is Abraham,s children.Grace and truth came by JESUS CHRIST.Jesus did say;before Abraham was, I AM.He is the same savior.GOD our savior,Jesus Christ our LORD and savior,the redeemer and keeper of our souls.What a mystery!
  • Chris - in Reply on Ruth 3:15
    James, I just can't place my comment & your comment is not connected to a thread, so I just don't know the context that I wrote in. But I do agree with your comments that we have received much, much more through the Lord Jesus Christ.

    You wrote: "Don't you think that David was granted salvation through that same Unique Son, as well as us?". Ultimately, Yes, but in biblical chronology, No. David, as all of Israel unto the coming of Christ, were subject to the obedience of God's Laws as declared to them which included the sacrificial system. They all would have been judged by the law & condemned for their disobedience to it (as they could never keep it). Thus in Scripture we get a glimpse of where the 'righteous dead & the unrighteous dead' go to prior to the crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus (Luke 16:19 ff). Here we see that dead Abraham was already in Paradise (not Heaven), a great gulf between the 'righteous dead', & others who suffered in Hades. So, it must be assumed that if Abraham was there, then so was David & others the Lord deemed were righteous but unsaved through the Law. So how does one distinguish between the two?

    In Hebrews 11, we get a glimpse of not only some of those who were deemed 'righteous' (e.g. Abel, Enoch, etc.), but that their 'waiting in Paradise' after their death was substantiated, not by their keeping of the Law, but by their faith in God to bring them through to Himself despite the Law's judgement against them (Hebrews 11:2, 13-16, 39, 40). Their faith served as a catalyst (a looking forward) to the full & proper payment for their sins, even though they were in ignorance to the perfect Sacrifice to come for them. So, when Christ rose from the grave, so all who died when once they lived in an active faith, were raised also to be justified through faith, as Jesus resurrection was for that purpose for them & to all who come in like faith now to Him. I realize that you're probably have this also in mind, but thought to share my understanding.


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