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  • Herman L Ploucher on 1 Peter 5:13 - 3 years ago
    What is the best evidence that Peter was ever in Rome
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Peter 5:13 - 3 years ago
    Herman, there is no specific reference, whether biblical or secular, that Peter visited Rome. The only mention of Babylon in 1 Pet 5:13, which is sometimes interpreted as alluding to Rome, is somewhat weak.

    However, the question you ask, is often asked by those who attempt to disprove the papal line from Peter (i.e. since Peter wasn't in Rome, how could the papacy be established & proceed from there?). If that is your thought as well, I quickly refer to Mt 16:18, which RCs will used to support Jesus direct instruction to Peter that he would be the foundation that His Church would be built upon.

    However, as you may know, that Jesus was using the meaning of Peter's name (Cephas/Petros = a rock), that he would in time be a solid, unshakeable witness for Jesus. Yet, Jesus said, that upon This Rock, he would build His Church. Was it on Peter? No. Jesus was speaking about Peter's great testimony, "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt 16:16. Upon this Truth that Christ is indeed the Son of God (along with the Truths that follow such a declaration) & His Church will be distinct from any other so-called church, just based on this fact. There are 'churches' that deny the Deity of Christ & so their further teachings develop into false theology/christology, but the true Church will be based on this Rock of Truth & not on the papal line.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 1 Peter 5:13 - 3 years ago
    Herman,

    Historical accounts show that Peter died in Rome sometime around 66-67 A.D. Peter wrote his first letter around 63 A.D. right before his arrest in Rome. Peter wrote from Rome, but he used the cryptic name Babylon in his letter - I Peter 5:13. Peter wrote his second letter right before 67 A.D. as he wrote it right before his death. Nero, the Roman Emperor, died around 68 A.D. Nero had Peter put to death, so obviously Peter had to die before 68 A.D.

    Tradition tells us that Nero took Peter as the leader of the believers, spread wax on him, and was going to put him up on a pole because that was Nero's little hobby. He would round up the Christian leaders, wax them down, put them on a pole, and then light them on fire to light his garden at night.

    And so Nero came to Peter and said since you're the leader, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Since your Savior was crucified, I'm going to crucify you instead. And it's recorded that Peter said I am not worthy to die like my Savior. If you're going to crucify me, crucify me upside down. So tradition says that Peter was crucified upside down in Nero's garden. That's about all the evidence I think we have. Peter was probably arrested while traveling through Rome on a missionary journey. There are groups today that claim that Peter was the first bishop of Rome. That claim is false.
  • Mishael - In Reply on 1 Peter 5:13 - 3 years ago
    Some Bibles have a commentary at the beginning of each Book. 1 Peter 5:14 shows him to be in Roman provinces. 1 Peter 5:12-14,

    2 Peter 3:18 is the end of recorded exhortations by Peter. Most famous being: his preaching on the day of the Lord.

    Peter was crucified upside down on a cross. Sounds like something Romans of that time, would do.

    Chris as more access to more historical accounts; dates.
  • John Smith - In Reply on 1 Peter 5:13 - 3 years ago
    God Bless you!



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