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  • Mishael on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    I'm just going to throw this in the comments about the time of the Rapture.

    This may be why we are told to be Looking for Jesus 2 Peter 3:10-12.

    Matthew 24:22 says...and except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.

    Mark 13:20 says basically the same thing.

    That's why churches are not able to agree. And that's why I believe that's why Peter said what he did. Jesus said for us to keep our lamps filled with oil. Be ready now!

    It's not going to be until the two State solution for Israel ends up tossed out. The land is DEEDED to Israel and I don't think God is going to allow that to happen. Ya gotta read all those OT covenants. The land is needed for The Return: which is happening now.

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  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Mishael - God himself has to bring ISRAEL to the land, not the godless antichrist United Nations, whose printer used to be called Lucifer Publishing and now is Lucis publishing.

    Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

    Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY NATIONS have I made thee.

    If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, then where are all these MANY "jewish nations".

    There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

    Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

    Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

    Besides Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe does not equal many

    Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    Israel and Judah had wars and different kings with different capitols. Samaria was capitol of Israel.

    Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Does this mean that those in Christ ARE Abraham's seed?

    Micah 3:10 - They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
  • Mishael to Bob H - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    That is right: MANY NATIONS. Abraham had Isaac ... and Ishmael. Israel is one nation and>

    Genesis 17: 18-21

    Ishmael was born in Gods permissive will.

    God blessed him

    Will make him fruitful

    Will multiply him exceedingly:

    Twelve princes shall he beget

    I will make him a great nation

    That explains a lot I think, but read also Genesis 18: 18-19 There is a note to read: Gen 12:3, 22:28, psalm 72:17, Acts 3:25, Gal. 3:8-9, 16, 18

    Isaac gets Israel (all the land of Canaan). I'd have to look at maps later.

    There is great resentment in Israel right now. Palestinians want the land back pure & simple. They want everything that was Destroyed to be rebuilt, infrastructure and full access to Jerusalem. They want everything that the war of 1967 gained!!! It's mind boggling. Israel gets to be a state but loses what they fought for independence to regain.

    This is the engine that is hurrying the earth to conclusion. It's partly why we are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. God is NOT going to rescind the covenant with Abraham.

    One point about the Antichrist is found in Daniel 11:37....neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god: for he shall magnify himself. [a note refers to Isaiah 14:13 here]

    Bottom line is that Antichrist is most likely descended from Ishmael. But he has no regard for his heritage.

    He's moving under the radar but if enough people read Jerusalem Post dot com ?? We may see him in a crowd with a smirk.

    The prophesies are about the Covenant; the land God has given to Israel through Isaac.

    There are many people's that are returning that believe Jesus is the Messiah; they're happy about it; most likely have churches; evangelize...

    How can you despise that? Israel is the apple of Gods eye. He rejects orthodox Torah carrying boneheads that will not receive His son. He is turning up the pressure every day. God has a plan! Quit railing and you will see.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Muslims honor Jesus as a sinless prophet and that is the end of it. Jews are antichrist by Bible definition

    1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

    1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Bob,

    Does not the Bible refer to the Jews as God's chosen people, and His elect. Where can I find that ALL Jews are antichrist? God made a promise to the nation Israel (Jews). If they are all antichrist, wouldn't that negate the promise? You have recommended calling a synagogue for answers. If I were to call a synagogue, should I ask to speak to an Orthodox Jew, or a Messianic Jew?

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  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Modern day Jews weren't around when the bible was written so I'm unable to give a reference in scripture to modern day Jews. The bible does refer to a specific race of people that God chose to be His people. These are Jews. They are His chosen people, and they are also called His elect. I take it you don't agree with that?

    From what I understand, God made a promise to His people in the Old Testament. The Jews are a protected race of people. They will never be eliminated because they are under God's protection. When Jesus comes at His second coming, every Jew alive will be saved.

    I do agree with you that claiming to be a Jew or Christian does not make it true. That's seems pretty elementary. And I do know about the Jews having a synagogue in Smyrna, but they were not believers.

    What I don't agree with is that ALL Jews deny Jesus. That simply is not true! If that's what you truly believe, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And also, if they believed in Jesus, it still wouldn't make them a Christian. Unless a person has been born of God's Spirit, that person has an illegitimate claim at being a child of God, whether they be Jew or Gentile. Also, which synagogue should one call to ask if ALL Jews deny Jesus? My guess is that any Jew, Orthodox or Messianic, would tell you that there are some Jews who do not deny Jesus.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    IF a Jew believes in Jesus he ceases to be a Jew and becomes a Christian.

    Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

    The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes: Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

    The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

    In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

    Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

    Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

    11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

    with the music of your lyres,

    under you a mattress of maggots,

    over you a blanket of worms.'

    (KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

    12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

    MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

    How did you come to be cut to the ground,

    conqueror of nations?

    13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

    I will raise my throne above God's stars.

    I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

    far away in the north.

    14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

    I will make myself like the Most High.'

    So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.

    Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

    Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.

    Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in
  • Mishael - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Jews of every country where their family fled to are moving back to Israel. Have been a couple of years. Lots of them are returning as Christians.

    They are sharing their faith in Jesus their Messiah. Do you ever watch 700 Club news?

    They are happy, excited, spirit filled.

    Please show me where it is okay for US to damn anyone to hell??

    We're suppose to make them desirous of the love of Jesus, because of the love we have for the brethren. What is to envy if they get spit on, yelled at, threatened with death and burned down churches!?

    I didn't get to go to college like you and Chris. I use study helps, but it takes time to do the research, for me. I've been in the "college" of the HOLY SPIRIT for 35 years. I'm grateful for it too. I learn things useful to teach the lost, the backsliders, the clueless. People respond to Love. Like I've said before; if God can't find a disciple to send to the lost...He'll use a donkey.

    God knows what we need to get and stay saved. He gave me love every time. All my drunken friends left me. I asked for new friends and a huge wave of Christians flooded my life! Street witnessing was a blast. I'd get home exhausted, but I'd stay up and pray for the seed I'd sown. Every single time I needed help and asked, I got what I needed (not wanted).

    You can't convince me that God does not have a plan for Jews, Israel, Catholics, or for the whole world. We don't get to condemn them for God. You can wipe the dust off your shoes, but that is it.

    I've seen those passages where the Lord promised to deal with them personally. That's His fight. He didn't tell us to "go ye and kick the pants off them ourselves". They will know Him through us, by the love we show the brethren & sisters. God is no respecter of persons. We are to silence from our mouthes: judgment, predjudice and presuppositions. The Holy Spirit has never told me to shout or say WOE to people! Teach the sheep & carry the baby lambs (in prayer). Amen
  • Kevin - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Romans 11:25-32



    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

    Praise GOD who is rich in His Mercy and His Grace for all of us. Maybe the key lies with "Patience" for all not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to faith in JESUS also as written above thru our mercy.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Thanks for sharing this interesting post. It looks like the verses you are sharing are referring to the Mid-Tribulation time frame, the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation period known as the Great Tribulation. I see this as the time God will spare His elect people, the Jews, from the events during those last 3-1/2 years of His wrath being poured out. Since there are 144,000 Jews who are sealed during the first 3-1/2 years, God is going to spare them from having to endure the final 3-1/2 years of His wrath, or "Shorten those days for them." You do make a great point that we cannot agree on the timing of the rapture, whether it is Pre/Mid/or Post Trib. That's been one of the most heated debates for quite some time. Again, thanks for sharing this.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    I appreciate your kindness. There's so many scriptures that point at the rapture but no date. Closest thing I've found is following Israeli news about the 2-state thing and about their need to build new homes. I know the Land covenant is a sure deal. I just watch. I keep a finger on the Pulse earthquakes every day. There's so much daily virus news that no one is reporting the big ones.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    Mishael,

    I want to also share this with you. These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.

    1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.

    2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.

    3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.

    4. Catch this one: The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.

    5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.

    6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.

    7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.

    Compare this to prophecy in Matthew Chapter 25. So Powerful!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 21 - 3 years ago
    God keeps the time from us for a reason. We know He's coming, and we're to be ready. But if we knew the date, many would say "I've got plenty of time so I'll just "live it up" for a while. You and I, and all those who belong to Him, we are always watching, and we are always ready because His Spirit is in us, and His Spirit is ready.

    I believe we're close. I read some accounts a few years back of how close it is. Did you know that the Jews right now are ready to perform sacrifices in the temple area? The temple hasn't been built yet, but they don't need it. Back in Nehemiah's day, all they did was lay the foundation before they started performing the sacrifices. According to God, that's official. You can build everything else later.

    They have already anointed the four corners of the temple area. And it wasn't until the mid-1990's that there were carnivorous birds in the area of Israel. There were none whatsoever before then. The birds are going to come and eat the flesh of those who die in the battle of Armageddon. And that couldn't have happened before the mid-90's.

    Also, there's a special die they use for the blue color in the priestly garment. I don't remember the name of it, but it comes from some type of sea creature that only comes ashore every 70 years. It came ashore in the late 90's. So they have the priestly garment's ready and they have already anointed the four corners. Plus they already have an altar set up.

    Even though the antichrist might come in and say I am going to help you build your temple, he means the rest of it. He's going to help the Jews restart their sacrificing. And right in the middle of the tribulation period, he's going to step in and put his image in the holy of holies and say everybody must worship him.

    Jesus told the Jews to flee when they see that happen because there's going to be great tribulation like the world has never seen. The church doesn't have to flee. The church will already be gone (Raptured) before then.



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