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  • Ronald Hunte on Romans 10:9
    What does it mean faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
  • Vincent - in Reply on Romans 10
    With all do respect, never is there a need to learn the Greek or Hebrew in order to understand the Bible. The King James Bible IS "the literal translation." Anybody who tries to change the precious words of God is deceived into making themselves the final authority as opposed to the Bible/God the final authority.


    How does one come to have faith in Christ? By hearing. What must one hear in order to have faith in Christ? The word of God. When one hears the Gospel of Christ and believes it, they have faith.

    We have the Bible, they had writings, prophets, and the apostles went out to preach as well.

    V 17 is what youre asking about. The second half of this chapter is filled with rhetorical questions that Paul ends up answering. He is making a case against Israel not having faith and why the gospel has been committed to the Gentiles.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Romans 10

    You are correct. A person does not have to learn Greek and Hebrew to understand the English bible, and I would never tell anyone that. I believe it is a great tool for studying. It has helped me a lot. But that is just for me personally. I would never tell you or anyone else that they need to learn Greek. I think it would be great if we all knew it, but again, that's an individual's choice. If Greek offends you, I would for sure stay away from it.

    I was simply trying to give an accurate representation of where faith comes from. If there is anything in my answer to the original question that you see in error, please let me know. If I may ask, you say that the King James Bible is "the literal translation." How do you know that? Like most English Bibles, it is a translation from Greek. So how do you know it is "the literal translation" without just taking someone's word for it?

    I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the King James Bible. It is the only English bible I fully trust, and it is the only one I use in my study. I believe it to be the most accurate translation. But it is a translation. And as far as Greek goes, I don't have the time to sit down with the Textus Receptus and the King James Bible and do a side by side, word for word check to see if it is a "literal translation." So just like you, I'm stuck with just taking someone's word for it that the translators made no errors.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Romans 10:9
    The terms "by," used twice in the Greek text for this Verse is actually the preposition "out of," as a source.

    We know from scripture that faith is a fruit of God's Spirit. It is not of man. Faith is produced by God's Spirit. We cannot produce biblical faith ourselves. We have human faith, but that is different than the faith that the bible speaks of. Faith is a word that describes the presence and activity of God's Spirit in a believer's life. The word faith itself literally means persuasion.

    The literal translation from the Greek text for Romans 10:17 should read "So then faith comes from "out of" hearing, and hearing from the word of God."

    Faith comes to us from out of hearing God's word. His Spirit ministers to us and persuades us and gives us the faith to do what God wants us to do out of the hearing of His word.

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