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  • Natalya - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Marie,

    The Jews are gathered in Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Passover. Jesus was crucified on Friday.

    There are 12 hours in a day.

    John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?"

    If there is midday

    Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."

    and midnight,

    Exodus 11:4 "And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt."

    then we can say that the day starts at 6am, and the night - at 6pm. That shows that 3rd hour falls at 9am and 9th hour (when Jesus died on the cross) falls at 3pm. (New translation translate just like that).

    Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified Him."

    Matt. 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?"

    Bible mentions unusual darkness between 6th hour (12pm) until 9th hour (3pm). The darkness can't be seen if it's dark already...

    Matt. 27:45 "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour."

    If there was Wednesday and Thursday, then I believe the Bible would have mentioned days instead of just hours.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Marie,

    I am one of those that believes Jesus was crucified on a Friday and rose Sunday. My reasoning for this comes from the account given in John Chapter 19, and then the first verse in John Chapter 20. We know from Chapter 19 that He died on a Friday sometime between 3pm and 6pm.



    John 19:31 gives us a clue as to the day Jesus was crucified. It had to be on a Friday because they had to be dead before the Sabbath day which would begin at 6pm on Friday and go to 6pm on Saturday. We see in Chapter 19 that they came to break the legs of all three because they were still alive. But when they came to Jesus to break His legs, He was already dead.

    It was against Jewish tradition for anyone to be hanging on a cross on the Sabbath (Saturday). The book of Deuteronomy gives us a list of codes. One of them is that cursed is everybody that hangs on a tree, especially on the Sabbath Day.

    John 20:1 begins by saying the first day of the week, but it literally says "the first of the Sabbath's," plural! In the scriptures, the Sabbath Day is singular, and the weekdays are plural. So you have the Sabbath Day, and then you have the Sabbath Days, which are used to denote the weekdays.

    This is the first day of the week. This is Sunday. The scripture tells us that this Sunday is the first Sunday after Passover, which means the Sabbath of Saturday, the normal Sabbath, has passed. And now we are into Sunday. To understand the Friday to Sunday time frame, you have to count Friday as being day 1, Saturday, day 2, and then Sunday would be the 3rd day, the day Jesus rose.

    Hope this helps!
  • Shawn on John 19 - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Agreed, this is confusing. Also, if you ready Luke 23:56 they prepared the spices before Sabbath, but in Mark 16:1-2 they bought them after the Sabbath. How can they buy them after the Sabbath, but prepare them before the Sabbath?
  • Mary Jane Humes - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Shawn, on that week there was the "high sabbath" which was related to a Jewish festival and the regular weekly sabbath. So the week of Jesus' crucifixion had not one but two sabbaths.
  • Mary Jane Humes - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Hello Marie,

    Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    Tradition - not scripture - puts Him crucified on a Friday.

    Also know that He was crucified on a high sabbath - John 19:31 - so Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday during the day. Therefore He was in the grave Wednesday night (1st night), Thursday day (1st day), Thursday night (2nd night), Friday day (2nd day), Friday night (3rd night), Saturday (3rd day) and He from the grave after the third day. You are right that a new day begins a 6PM. We are not sure the exact time of the day that Jesus arose but it was after the third day and third night of being in the grave.
  • Natalya - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Mary Jane,

    The Scriptures - not tradition - puts Jesus crucified on Friday.

    Jesus represented a sacrificial lamb in the 1st Jewish Feast, Passover. The timing was as predicted in the Bible. Jesus knew that His time has come.

    Ex. 12:6 "And ye shall keep it [lamb] up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening."

    John 13:1 "Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end."

    1 Cor. 5:7 "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
  • Vernon cartwright - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Jesus was making a comparison between Jonas being in the belly of the whale and Jesus being in the heart of the earth(grave) for three days. we must remember a day consist of 24 hours. The Jews reckon any part of a day as a day, not necessarily 24 hours. Jesus died on the preparation day (Friday 1st. day), in the grave all day Sabbath,(Sat.2nd. day). He rose early on the first day of the week(Sunday third day). John 19:42, John 20:1. There is a day between the preparation and the first day of the week, SABBATH. JUST A NOTE: We work eight hours a day, not 24. We consider those 8 hours as a day of work, not 24hours.
  • MARK MATHEWS - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    GOD is talking in Matthew 12:39-40 read it please. Jonah 1:17 read it please?There is no way any one could claim he was in the Grave on Friday?72 hours is still 72 hours!GOD said Himself to everyone in the Belly of the Earth 3 days and 3 Nights.Okay GOD Can't lie ever.Or the Cross is worthless for us.Plus Mary came at 5-6 Am on Sunday to Grave and GOD is Risen.Okay great.It is proven already true.So go back 72 Hours?What day is it?6-9 at night.Then 72 hours to Sunday say 1 minute into it.Say 4:39 4:49 Am.Go back 72 hours?Okay what day is it?It sure isn't Friday.Remember GOD can't Lie! Matthew 12:39,40 GOD talking! Do you believe GOD or Man???Wednesday Night 6-9 Pm.Plus Remember there was Two Sabbaths that week of the Cross.Apparently forgot to look it up and Study the truth?The Truth will set us all Free! Who is Truth? GOD= Lord Jesus Christ!
  • Greg - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Mark Matthews,

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    The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.

    The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.

    6pm - 6am = 1st set of 12 hours- "third hour of the night" Acts 23:23 (9 pm)

    6am - 6pm = 2nd set of 12 hours- "third hour of the day" Acts 2:15 (9 am)

    The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am

    The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.

    Look at Sixth hour, Ninth hour, eleventh hour, Matthew 20:5
  • Greg - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Mark Matthews, Day Christ Died.

    Right on! Just as Johah said; "Three days AND three nights" Jonah 1:17.

    Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.

    Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)

    Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)

    Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)

    Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.

    Look at Matthew 12:40.

    Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.

    The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.

    The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.

    Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.

    The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.

    Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.

    The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.

    The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.



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