It seems some of you are getting church age saints mixed up with the Jews during the future great tribulation period. The church has been raptured at this time and God is dealing with Israel and the unbelieving world. The 144,000 from the tribes of Israel are NOT all that will ever be saved. Many will be saved during the tribulation period. Confusion reigns when people get this mixed up. Read all of chapter 7. Multitudes from every tribe, nation, tongue, etc. that CANNOT BE NUMBERED stand before the throne robed in white and are those who came out of the great tribulation. How anyone can read the Bible and come away thinking only 144,000 people will ever be saved is puzzling.
The 144,000 are Gods elect. they stood by God during the katabol when Satan to0ok 1/3 of Gods children with him when he couldn't over turn the Mercy Seat. The first earth age. The 144,000 will also stand with God again when Satan as the anti-Christ tries again to win over all Gods children. Plenty will resist Satan but the 144,000 are Gods chosen few & they will stand with Him again. He wants all His children to choose Him but many will choose the anti-Christ thinking Satan is the real Messiah. This is where the Mark of the Beast comes in-to know Satan comes first, then Christ comes at the 7th Trump.
Thank you for breaking this down i just had someone tell me that i needed to know what gate i was going in because if i wasn't in the 144,000 i wasn't one of Gods chosen to make it to heaven no matter if i repented and turned away from my sins and was living a Christ like life. I was very puzzled like why growing up in church i was taught that if you live faithful and serve God without sin that I will make it to heaven when he returns to receive his bride the church. I was very lost and confused but your comment cleared up my confusion. Thank you
Hi bree this is Ken, God never said to turn from sin to be saved if you are hearing this which I would say 75% of all Christians who claim to be saved preach another gospel that Paul talked about one in which will not save this is why Christ says I never knew you when these people come to him and say we did all these things in your name we cast out demons and we prophesied in your name you see Jesus never said I knew you once and lost you because you kept sinning he said I never knew you because they believed that they had to turn from their sin that they had to get baptized that they said they had to give Jesus their heart that they had to make Jesus the Lord of their life see when you do all that and rely on that to assure you of your salvation you become the Savior and not Jesus if you take the Lord at his word hey you just have to Simply trust in his finished work that he traded places with you he took your sin and paid for them all of them past present and future and he gave you his perfect sinless righteousness as a free gift and if you would just simply receive this gift the Bible says that he gives you power to become the sons of God
Greetings Ken, Agreed we need to believe and depend on HIS WORKS, not our own.
However Jesus said some things to consider
Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.
Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mark 6:12 - And they (12 apostles) went out, and preached that men should repent.
Jesus speaking in Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
and again Luke 13:5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
Repent of what?
Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Revelation 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her (SIN) fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit (SIN) adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.
Jesus speaking and telling the BELIEVING CHURCH IN EPHESUS TO REPENT
Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
Rev 2:4 - Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 - Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,
and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Jesus told the believing church to repent...of what?
Hi Bob this is Ken I agree with you on the first two Commandments these are the Commandments of Christ The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross as you are well aware of by the scriptures Jesus himself said not to put new wine into old wineskins he was referring to the age of Grace the church age in which we are living right now and if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times I can't even count for everyone who wants to know that the Commandments of Christ are 1st John 4:21 and this is the Commandment we have from him that we he who loveth God loves his brother. 1st John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.
Ken You write "if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times"
Do you dare to compare yourself with a sinless God by claiming repent means to the same thing for both of us?
Sinful man vs a sinless God? Have you never known words to have more than one meaning?
So in Revelation 2 when the Lord told the Believing church to repent, what were they repenting of?
Their unbelief? A change of mind.
Revelation Chapter 2
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
1st Corinthians 6:9 311 know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived neither fornicators nor adulterers nor idolaters or a feminine or abusers of themselves with mankind Northeast nor Covetous nor drunkards nor revilers North storage nurse shall inherit the kingdom of God and such were some of you but you are washed but you are Sanctified but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the spirit of our God. You see bob that the blood of Christ washes away all the sin of the Believers so when God sees the believer he sees perfection it's clear that we were all of those things before we trust in Christ as our savior the only difference is we are washed sanctified and purified in the blood of Christ it's his blood that washes us not our Behavior Romans 4:8 blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against him ! did the dying Thief repent of sin? or did he believe on the Lord? Meaning he changed his mind about Christ and believe that he was truly the Lord and that Jesus could save him and Jesus did indeed save him saying today you will be with me in Paradise he had no time to repent of sin or get baptized he was dying on the cross with Jesus and Jesus required nothing of him but simple belief.
I think what you need to do Bob is prove to everyone that repent means to turn from sin because it doesn't it means to change your mind God changed his mind many times and in order for anyone to be saved they have to change their minds and if you had to turn from sin to be saved you become the savior and therefore you're not going to be saved Romans 11:6 and if by Grace then it is no more of Works otherwise Grace is no more Grace but if it be of works and it is no more grace otherwise work is no more work Ephesians 2:8 and 9 for by grace are you saved through faith it is not of yourselves as gift of God not of Works lest any man should boast 1st John 1:8 if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in US
Repent: The meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear:
Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,
Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )
Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.
(IS FORNICATION A SIN OR A CHANGE OF MIND?)
Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.
Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.
Hi I think that you're confused the hundred forty-four thousand are 12000 from each tribe of Israel and they are Jewish virgin men given a mission to preach the Everlasting gospel in Revelation 14 you need to read it carefully and the Gathering of the Saints from the Four Winds in Matthew 24:31 that is absolutely not in order none of the scripture is in order I hope you know that this is explaining the Rapture of the church and it is not in order so you can't follow along when you're reading Matthew 24 and everything is happening after what it says if you do it that way you're not going to understand what Christ doing remember the Lord tries to conceal info that's why he speaks in parables
Someone already asked this exact question of Jesus and Jesus answered him, which is in Matthew 13:11-58. People's hearts can be hard and they can disregard the truth.
stanjet--I am very ill at this time & would like to respond at a later date if I may. Hopefully in a week or two. Genesis and Revelations speak of the world that was, there world today, and the world to come (eternity). The three earth ages. God Bless-keep on studying, and pray to receive this knowledge. I'll be back if it bee God's will.
I speak healing to your body in Jesus name, No weapon formed against you shall prosper you are hid up under the shadow of the most high, Rest in Jesus name Rest ....( psalms 91, Isaiah 54:17,)
the only time that God gathers his elect from the Four Winds is at the Rapture of the church and we know that the Antichrist has to wait until we're raptured out to be revealed to the unbelievers 2nd Thessalonians 2:7-8 and we know that Christ returns after 7 years and sets up his kingdom, kills all the unbelievers, that's when the vultures gather and eat up all the flesh and we know that the Covenant is what triggers the Rapture the peace deal between the Jews and the Muslim world Daniel 9:271st Thessalonians 5:1-5
I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree! I just like to read other scripture pertaining to a particular subject like this and if you go to Revelation 19 where it actually describes the Lord coming back and take him back this world from Satan know where does it talk about the Angels Gathering people it only talks about the Angels Gathering the birds of prey 2 eat the Flesh of all the people that Christ killed the unbelievers Revelation 19 is your key it is the answer to the question of whether or not the angels are gathering because it is set in order perfectly the timeline is in order in Revelation 19
wrong ! he does gather some people, and that is the unbelievers when he returns! He gathers them for the great supper of God and the winepress of the wrath of God then he gathers all the vultures and Eagles and birds of prey and raptures them to the valley of Jehoshaphat to eat the Flesh of captains and Mighty Men and all men
Hi I just wanted to point something out to you if you notice in Matthew 24 it talks about where the carcass is there the vultures will gather then it talks about the Lord returning to the Earth if you go to Revelation 19 the Lord returns and then kills all of the unbelievers presses them down like the wine press and then the birds of prey are summoned to eat all of the Dead so you really have to be careful when you're reading the Bible nothing is in order and I repeat nothing is in order
There's only been two ages the age when the original creation was in which Satan and the angels lived here on the Earth and the age when God put man here the third age will not happen until God makes the new Heaven and new earth
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However Jesus said some things to consider
Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.
Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mark 6:12 - And they (12 apostles) went out, and preached that men should repent.
Jesus speaking in Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
and again Luke 13:5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
Repent of what?
Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Revelation 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her (SIN) fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit (SIN) adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.
Jesus speaking and telling the BELIEVING CHURCH IN EPHESUS TO REPENT
Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
Rev 2:4 - Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 - Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,
and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Jesus told the believing church to repent...of what?
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.
Do you dare to compare yourself with a sinless God by claiming repent means to the same thing for both of us?
Sinful man vs a sinless God? Have you never known words to have more than one meaning?
So in Revelation 2 when the Lord told the Believing church to repent, what were they repenting of?
Their unbelief? A change of mind.
Revelation Chapter 2
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
except thou repent.
except thou repent.
except thou repent.
except thou repent.
telling the BELIEVING CHURCH to REPENT OF WHAT?
UNBELIEF?
Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,
Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )
Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.
(IS FORNICATION A SIN OR A CHANGE OF MIND?)
Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.
Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.
the three earth ages and you will see.
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