Bible Discussion Thread

Why were there so many paintings of the Lion laying down with the Lamb. Song, Peace in the valley, this has been changed, and more, some see and some don't, why I don't know.

You all are remembering a famous picture by a famous artist which painting showed a loin and a lamb. It was always and still is a wolf shall lay down with a lamb. The devil can do many things but he can't change Gods word.

Stanjett, I said 11:6reads The wolf shall dwell with the Lamb, not what you said, as I have told the rest of you, I was a Sunday school teacher, years back, I know what it said, Just like Moses wrote on tablets not tables, there are modern day language in my old KJV BIBLE, WAS NOT THERE BEFORE! I am totally blown away at all of this, you would have to see it, your mind would not believe it either

I searched those paintings back to 1800s. There are so many other's. Moses did not come down with 10 COMMANDMENTS, written on tables, we all know better than that. In Luke , the theives beside Jesus , were never called malefactors, and we ALL KNOW THAT TOO. There is so much word changes and repeats, you or no one else can explain it. The way it is.

Moses wrote 10 commandments on tablets tables of stone because the Bible says he did. Exodus 34:1

The Bible is leaving out tablets and saying tables, instead of tablets. I am 68 years old , have studied the KJV , all thru the years, not read, studied, never said tables, now it is multiplied. That's what I am trying to get across. What you just sent me has never been worded like that or in the KJV, read the same Bible since 1971.

You are correct Rosanna Jackson, the bible is changing. It did say Lion and has been changed to Wolf. There are many changes. Revelation 22:18-19. Many will say but God would not allow the word to be changed. Well the very fact that He put that in Revelation 22:18-19 tells us the Word will change and look what is going to happen to the ones that change it. Very sad indeed. Stay strong in the Lord. The devil is full of deceit and is deceiving many followers of Christ.

What changes? What Bible? If you're assuming the King James Bible meaning has changed that is false and easily disproven. Link It's always said the same wolf, leopard, lion in verse 6. The meaning of the KJV Bible has been preserved and is easy to see, because the original 1611 A.D. translation is also on this website, so someone has the entire 400+ year span to easily compare to. Did you even look up this verse before you decided to criticize it publicly? Let's just deal with the truth and facts. Satan wants to deceive people into distrusting the Bible and he loves using people to spread his lies.

Does it matter? The bible was put together on the initiative of the Roman Emperor as a founding story to unite the tribes of Europe in acceptance of their rule. Its got some useful metaphors and can be used to educate children in some useful moral codes, but needs to be used carefully by adults or their children may grow up believing it literally.

Greeks gave us the new testament Bible, not rome. Rome often killed those who tried to have the scriptures in their own language. David Orren you do not know what you are writing about. The new testament was written in Greek, not Latin.
Do the names of william tyndale, and John Huss ring a bell.

The Roman Emperor Constantine reinvented Christianity in order to save the Roman Empire form hostile tribes. His idea was to create a unifying religion and he saw Christianity as that religion that he could identify with. It was under Constantine that the testaments were selected and the history of Jesus was rewritten. They scrubbed out most of the testaments which conflicted with the story they wanted to portray. What we call the 'word of God' is in fact the result of realpolitik by Rome to save itself from disintegration. It is even doubtful if Constantine truthfully converted. As Christianity turned into an institution the church repressed anyone who questioned its contents, killing any one who translated it to mean something different. What eventually got translated into the KJB is just what the Roman Emperor decided was OK to write about. We do not have easy access to the much greater amount of remaining material on the real life of Jesus which is locked up in the Vatican vaults.

David, there are some truths in what you share, but looking at it fully, it seems to smack of "The Da Vinci Code": The fundamental irony of Christianity! The Bible as we know it today, was collated by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine the Great". Constantine, of doubtful conversion, did not reform or collate the Bible. In 306 AD, he became ruler of the Roman Empire. In 325 AD, he called for the Council of Nicaea: the first general conference of the 'Christian Church'. He had nothing to do in forming the Canon, nor did the Council refer to it. The Council formed decisions about the Canon in 397 AD in Carthage: 60 yrs after Constantine's death (274-337 AD). Important to note that 21 Books of the Bible were acknowledged by Christians long before Constantine. Yes, he did have some impact on Christianity, but when Christianity veered off course (as from the early days & look at the sects/splits we have), then this is not the pure religion of God, of His Christ & apostolic teaching.

There were many religions and variations on Christianity at that time. The Roman Empire needed an overarching religion that could integrate non-Roman people under a single creed. Christianity is the religion THEY selected. But Christianity had multiple variants and to be credible as a single creed, it needed to be 'streamlined'. That is why PEOPLE from multiple parts of the empire were selected and assembled to sift through and agree which parts of which texts would form the basis of the Christianity. IE, the Roman Empire organised the crafting of the bible deciding which texts were to be included for its own purpose. With much argument and debate, and repression of opposing points of view, the killing by the Church of many who were guardians of texts that had not been included. The KJV Bible is a translation of the documents carefully selected by that same Church under the political leadership of the Roman Empire. This is well-established by historians who do not dispute this.

Orren all I know is the Greek church would disagree with you since they gave us the Bible, not rome.

Rome and the unbelieving Jews tried to wipe out the church. The new testament was written in Greek, not Latin the language of the Roman empire. Since you want to believe Rome was more powerful than the Lord of Israel who was unable to keep his words pure, well that is up to you. Constantine is a nobody compared to the God of Abraham. I believe the Lord kept his words pure and you believe a roman emperor overpowered the Lord and corrupted the Bible. Even the unbelieving Jews admit Jesus existed and performed miracles.

I am not saying that Rome corrupted the bible. I am saying that the early Church was purposefully COMPILED under the stewardship of the Roman Empire out of fragmented factions from all around the Mediterannean, including what is now Turkey. So, the Roman Empire LED the compiling of the bible that is the KJV Bible today. They did this to create a single Church which would support the legitimacy and continued rule of the Roman Empire. And they killed a lot of people who wanted to preserve the many testaments they chose to exclude. The KJV bible we read today is the product of the political leadership of the Roman Empire. That is generally how religions are formed. By political leaders who need populations to submit to their rule. We can learn from this and ask ourselves questions about how we lead our lives, and how we treat each other, which is what I think Jesus was prompting us to do.

my bible reads like this: Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these "tables" the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." It is truly a trick of Satan to get the saints debating over the word using all of these translations and interpretations of the Bible. It is to bring confusion and distrust in read to the word. Stick with the KJV original. and stay FREE. I don't even rely totally on the electronic bibles when studying. We have to humble enough to research to make sure we are reading correctly and reading from a valid source. God Bless us all.

All I can tell you, is, my Bible is an Autorized KJV,,Thomas Nelson, and you would have to see it , and it is still hard to believe, when you have hundreds of new words from our time in it! I do not have a new version! Best thing for me to do is to take my Bible and show it to several Pastors, cause they will not be able to explain what thekr seeing, either.

The KJV has been consistent on this word for 400 years since it's first printing. This is easily proven by reading the original text yourself available now or find any year in between at a library and compare. If your memory is perfect and you read a different word then it wasn't a KJV. You are welcome to try to prove this wrong by checking any one of billions of kjv copies. God bless...

The kjv 1973 printed bible has changed, believe it or not, you would have to see my bible for yourself. new words, spaces between words in sentences, emojis, it is unbelievable!

Your KJV Bible has emojis? Most of us have read KJVs for years and have never heard of that. Are you sure it's a KJV and who is the publisher? If you found a Bible with emojis somewhere are you assuming that all KJVs in the world are suddenly that way?

First of all, the devil isn't fooling me, Patsy, I have studied out of the same KJV Thomas Nelson, Authorized Version, again , since early 1970s, taught Sunday school, my eyes see very well, my Bible says tablets, that's all I can tell you, but there areMANY WORDS FROM OUR MODERN LANGUAGE NOW IN IT THAT SHOULD NOT BE. 128591

Of course I looked at the verse before commenting on it. We are talking about supernatural changes to the Bible. Look it up and see for yourself. Here is one: Mark 2:22. Wine skins has been changed to bottles. New wine bursts old wine skins, not bottles.

Who told you this was changed? Did you conclude this from your own research or did someone tell you this and just assume it's true? This is false and is proven in seconds by looking at the original 1611 published copy here: Link - notice it says 'bottles' just as the KJV has always said for 400 years. Other translations use the word wine skins, not KJV. It never has, so to claim otherwise is false. Is this the only verse evidence you have to support your assumption? Please compare all verses to the original 1611 AD first to see for yourself before posting such assumptions.

I really feel sorry and sad for people that dont see or dont have discernment, to know, the truth, what the scriptures, used to read, God has allowed this to happen, because people did not love the truth, so their minds turned reprobate. Why do so many see and some dont?

Rosanna, the KJV is changing supernaturally: however, I have come to realize that the enemy is trying to change our focus from the Word of God. We are too late in the game to be distracted from the word. All it is doing is keeping me from really digging into his word and seeking Him for who He is. We need our relationship with the Lord to be strong and unwavering. The only way it is going to get that way is if we focus on Him and His word and not over these things. Pray the Lord will bring back to memory what the original meaning is and continue on growing in the knowledge of Him. That is all that matters now in these last days. God bless you.

Hi Patsy, I think some people see because they have eyes to read and a mind to think for themselves. To ask questions, and never to believe those who put themselves above us in having access to some truth based on our stopping to see and ask questions and not thinking for ourselves.

Patsy, same kjv authorized, thomas nelson, printed early 70s, yes, supeand we are in the end times, sincerly.rnatural changes, could tell you 0ver 100 changes, sunday school teacher, years back, bought my bible then, have never studied any other bible, but everykjv has changed, but my faith is in jesus christ

Dear Rosanna, can you explain what you mean by the KJV 'changed'? Are you claiming the meaning has changed and trying to discredit the KJV Bible? If so, what is your evidence for that? Have you prayed to God to ask if this is true and if this comes from Him, or perhaps from another source?

Instead if you are claiming not that the meaning has changed but that between the first printing in 1611 AD and today that some words have changed to keep up with the English language changes, then I agree with you. The English language itself has changed substantially in this 400+ year time and naturally Bibles would need to adjust to keep the meaning the same. English was more similar to Latin 400 years ago, like I = J, U = V. More info: Link

Thank you for your comments, David. This piqued my interest in a part of history that is not easily available to us; at least after my spending much time doing research. My research showed Constantine's rise to power & his 'conversion' & subsequent favour to the persecuted & impoverished Christians living in Rome. On his death bed he was baptized for the security of his soul. But, nothing about what you had written. I then found (in Wikipedia) the following: "In 331 AD, Constantine commissioned Eusebius to deliver 50 Bibles to the Church of Constantinople. Athanasius recorded that about 340 Alexandrian scribes prepared Bibles for Constans. It was speculated that this provided motivation for canon lists & (certain codices) are examples of these Bibles. Together with another codex, these are the earliest extant Christian Bibles". Is this then what you are referring to? If not, then I would be interested to read your source material.