I was relating to Gigi's insert of Revelation 13:8. It parallels with 1 Peter 1:19-21 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
I don't believe Jesus had a mission to complete to "become" the unblemished Lamb of God. He existed in the realm of eternity in the God head before he took on flesh.
You are correct, I was referring to 1 Corinthians 15.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(JESUS, A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT) In John 14:6-7 Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jesus said this before he was crucified and resurrected.
Verses 47-49
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Jesus was the Heavenly before the foundation of the world, he didn't have to wait on the resurrection to be what he already is.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Matt 10. 28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Roman's 6. 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 2. 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Corinthians 15. 51-58
54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
2nd Timothy 1. 10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.
Scripturally. (Hell)
Rev 21.8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matt 25. 46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Rev 20. 10 10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20. 1414
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20. 15 15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.
Those who believe they DIED and were made ONE in Christ, will never die again.
Those who don't believe they DIED, and the resurrection made them ONE as the Father and Son and son are ONE will be cast into prison, the GRAVE. "Made one in Christ" in Jordyn's opinion means you become Gods"
Is this not another Gospel?
More issues.
Jordyn claims the flesh of the unbelievers is the devil and the bottomless pit mentioned in Revelation 20:2-3 is the grave.
He also claims we are already living in the 1000 years mention in verse 5.
He claims the unbelievers/Devil will be loosed out of the grave, "resurrected" in Revelation 20:7.
After all the dead are raised at the second resurrection, "LOOSED OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT" the Sons of God "WILL PREACH THE TRUTH TO THEM ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THE RESURRECTION"
LET'S EXAMINE.
Revelation 20:7-8. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
AND SHALL GO OUT TO DECIEVE THE NATIONS which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(Jordyn says these verses says the unbelievers will preach the truth!)
The bible says Satan will deceive the nations!
So, Jordyn says God will judge the unbelievers by the word of God and give them the truth and mercy given to us, and they will have DIED the second death, and also become the SONS of God and will enter the Kingdom. Thats what he gets out of Revelation 20:2-8.
However, Look at Revelation 22:11-15. SOME REMAIN UNJUST!
Some have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Some are seen here in verse 15. "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
BEWARE OF WHO YOU FOLLOW! NO CHILD OF GOD WOULD DO SUCH BLASPHEMY TO THE WORD OF GOD!
My King was born King. He's a Seven Way King. He's the King of the Jews. That's a racial King. He's the King of Israel. That's a National King. He's the King of righteousness. He's the King of the ages.He's the King of Heaven. He's the King of glory. He's the King of kings and. He is the Lord of lords. David said the Heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament show His handiwork. My King is the only one whom there are no means of measure can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of His shore of supplies. No barriers can hinder Him from pouring out His blessing. He's enduringly strong. He's entirely sincere. He's eternally steadfast. He's immortally graceful. He's imperially powerful. He's impartially merciful. He's God's Son. He's the sinner's saviour. He stands alone in Himself. He's honest. He's unique. He's unparalleled. He's unprecedented. He's supreme. He's pre-eminent.He's the grandest idea in literature He's the highest personality in philosophy.He's the supreme problem in high criticism He's the fundamental doctrine of proved theology. That's my King.He's the miracle of the age .He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him. Well, He's the only one able to supply all of our needs simultaneously. He supplies strength for the weak. He's available for the tempted and the tried.He sympathizes and He saves. He's strong God and He guides. He heals the sick. He cleanses the lepers. He forgives sinners.
He discharged debtors. He delivers the captives. He defends the feeble. He blesses the young. He serves the unfortunate. He regards the aged. He rewards the diligent and He beautifies the meek. He's is a King of knowledge. He's the wellspring of wisdom. He's the doorway of deliverance. He's the pathway of peace. He's the roadway of righteousness. He's the highway of holiness. He's the gateway of glory. THATS MY KING, AUDIO ON YOUTUBE.
Cain was of that wicked one, Cain was the son of the serpent which was Satan.
( Gen 3:3) .."neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die" The word (touch) is #5060; it means to lie with a woman.
( Gen 3:13) "And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent (beguiled) me; and I did eat". The word (beguiled) is #5377; it means morally to seduce.
( Gen 3:14-15) v15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and (between) ((thy seed)) and ((her seed))"...
The word (seed) is #2233; it means carnally, child, to disseminate, bear, conceive seed.
God said He would put enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
( Gen 3:16) "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiple thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children"...
Why else would God multiple her sorrow and conception?
Multiplied conception means the woman had twins, Cain was the son of the serpent, and Abel the son of Adam.
Thats why John said in ( 1 Jn 3:12) "Not as Cain, who was ((of that wicked one)) and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous". Cain was of the seed of that wicked one!
( Jn 8:43-44) v44 "Ye are ((of your father the devil)), and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it".
Many don't want to see, or believe this is true, but the Word of God will speak for itself if we get our own interpretation, or the things we have been taught by other men out of the way. Truth matters.
I agree with you on some very excellent points. In particular you stated: "it is also an active response from the heart of a person who truly desires to accept Christ as Savior"
It's all about us being Active! Many "modern day christians" will disagree and say they have to do nothing, it's all on Christ. It's simple, if we don't respond to Christ and take action that he commands- we don't get our salvation!
There are many actions we are required to take after we accept Jesus as our saviour, like
Picking up our cross, thats a daily action.
Repenting from sin, a daily action.
Turning our backs on the world, a daily action.
Showing love and serving our fellow man, a daily action.
Praying is a daily action.
Following God's/Jesus Commandments, a daily action.
I could go on, but it's easy to see that if we accept Christ as our saviour and we have the Holy Spirit we will be very busy serving Him.
On the other hand, if we say we are saved and living worldly lives, we are only fooling ourselves. 1John 2:15
Thanks for your reply, I've been on a two-day work trip and couldn't find time to engage.
I thought you were giving these guys a break on their belief because they are friends of yours. I also consider them as friends of mine, and I care for them as well, but I won't compromise because this is far to important. Bro Dan and I have had a friendly debate in the past, before you joined the site.
Adam and Chris were the two guys that stood out and influenced me when I joined the site a few years ago. I have a lot of respect for Adam and his zeal for truth and righteousness. I just believe he on the wrong side of Salvation if holds to anything other than salvation is by grace alone.
If I was to take those positive things they display and act if those things trump the belief of salvation by grace and join their side in this debate fearing I might defend them. I would be putting before God, Thats Carnal.
You said its Christ's soul not Davids soul in view. How does that change the fact that the word hell has the meaning of "the place or state of departed souls"? Its not me differentiating between the soul and spirit of man David I'm only showing what the Word of God tells us about the soul and spirit being divided or separated. You asked if I'm aware of any other verses? ( 1 Thess 5:23) would be one.
In ( 1 Thess 4:13) Who are "them which are asleep"?
In ( 1 Thess 4:14) Here we see "them also which sleep in Jesus" and also "will God bring with him" This verse tells us those which sleep in Jesus will come back with Him. This is the spirit.
In ( 1 Thess 4:16) We see "and the dead in Christ shall rise first". Where are these dead in Christ rising from David?
We see those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him, this would be the spirit.
And we see the dead in Christ shall rise first, this would be the soul rising from the grave. ( Jn 5:28-29) v28 "all that are in the graves shall hear his voice". v29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation".
You asked if being Born again occurred in the spirit or the soul? That would have to be both because the spirit returns with Christ and the soul rises from the grave to be reunited with the spirit.
I'm not quite sure about your 1 Cor ch15 question.
You said that Jesus endured the wrath of God? The wrath of God is violent passion, or [justifiable] abhorrence, by implying punishment, anger, indignation, vengeance.
Jesus laid down His life, God wasn't angry with Him, God did not punish Jesus to bring eternal life to all who Believe in Him, men did that. Jesus suffered for the sins of the world but it was not vengeance from God. Thats how I see this.
When and if you really get serious about breaking free from sin, God will give you the power if you increase your Faith and believe that you can! Right now, I don't think you believe that it is possible because you have said as much. Matt 17:20 Prayer works wonders!
Yes, I have been in the process of turning my back on this world, over the years I gave up drinking, bars, nightclubs, sports, movies, concerts, worldly music, striving to make money, fancy clothes, fancy cars, collecting things, etc. anything that the Holy Spirit convicts me now as lustful/sinful. I only watch a small amount of TV for keeping up with current news, and I have cut back on that, and may completely at some point as I can get some news on line. I wouldn't mind throwing the TV out right now, my wife might get still get mad at me if I do, I'm going to keep working on that one:) It's a process for sure.
You asked:" However , I have not sold all my possessions and given all the money to the poor , have you?" Currently, I own a small modest house with my wife, transportation own a used 1997 pickup truck, I work on myself, don't need or want anything new or fancy. At this point in life, I have a roof, a bed, enough food, and thats all I need. I'm a tradesman always involved in construction, spend some free time now helping others in need, to make repairs and upgrades on their homes in my neighborhood free of charge, I try to help others whenever I can, as I feel God has blessed me with my hands to perform any type of work/creation. My wife also spends a lot of time/money helping others.
At this point whatever we have over and above essential living expenses, we are willing to help others as the Spirit moves us, and we do, and that is all for the glory of God. If the Spirit moves me "to give everything up" and hit the streets to evangelize full time I will heed that call. I leave all up to God.
Awesome. Praise God you got thru the hard time when satan was trying to make you weak. As its said the movie "Sound of Freedom" WHEN GOD SPEAKS you DO NOT HESITATE. With Him by your side no one can be against you. Bless you & may you continue to Always follow His word.
I too am struggling w/ppl around me yet keep my mind on Him. If we let our mind stray, soon the heart will follow & thats when evil creeps in slowly. Before you know it, its to late & we'r falling into sin. Evil will flee if you keep repeating Jesus name for satan can Not hear our thoughts. I pray quietly yet when in dire need of our Lord, it can be heard. God bless 'Texsis'.
I agree 100% what you have said that OT Israel knew nothing of a coming Messiah's Sacrifice of His Life for them & substitutionary payment. Hence, the word 'Gospel' mentioned in Hebrews 4 is not the same Gospel they received as is the complete Gospel that the Apostles preached post-Cross. (Perhaps not in the way it is preached in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
I believe the OT saints did what was required of them at that time to make them just with God. Their temporal rituals and sacrifices exemplified the Gospel and perhaps the resurrection was preached by "type" when Issac was offered as a sacrifice by Abraham. Hebrews 11:17-19.
However, could they have perceived it, being that Jeremiah 31:31-34 have not taken place yet?
When we study Hebrews in its entirety, we know that this new covenant was not to come under the Levitical covenant. This is clearly seen in Hebrews Ch 7 and 8.
So, when we look back at this, Israel mind was blinded and there was a veil upon their hearts, as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when "it" shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. (The "it" mentioned here is their hearts.)
When Israel turns their hearts to God the veil and the blindness shall be taken away.
This is what Paul is saying in Romans 11.
Israel was incapable of receiving the revelation of the Gospel under the Levitical High Priest and if you study the Gospels carefully, neither could the Apostles until the death of the one that filled the role of the Levitical Priesthood at the Cross.
(I believe this is what John's baptism was all about)
The resurrection began the new covenant under the new Priest hood. ( Hebrews 7:15-16.)
In Truth, the day you are completely free from sin, is the day you meet your Savior ! 1 Pet 1:7-9
I can't tell you how Dan would answer that question,
but here's mine
It's not a work of our self-efforts in our own strengths or our own understanding, it following the Light of Christ in our hearts, the still small Voice of Conscience that convicts us of our wrong doings & directs us to do what is just, good & holy, Titus 2:11
Micah 6:8 , its the Treasure we have in these earthen vessels, enlightening us in the power of Holy Spirit, picking up the Cross & denying self, & causing us to will & do of His good pleasure, which works were finishes from the foundation of the world, Hebrews 4:3Acts 15:18 We enter into His works, coming to a place of rest from our own works
Then there some that are persuaded they don't have to do anything, but believe, without becoming a doer of the Word, thats more like being a demon, for they believes, but they do not obey.
Consider all that Scriptures, beginning with Abraham, Gen 18:19 by his obedience Abraham proved his faith & his love for God
John 15:10 he abided in God's love & received all that God had promise him, through his obedience to God's commands.
Today's Christianity says you can be a Christian without keeping His commandments, God loves you & His grace got you covered. This is a changing of the definition of Grace, which is defined in Scripture as Titus 2:12 Grace is the power of God to reveal our sins & to takes us out of them, not to encourage or pamper us in our sins.
Friends, God salvation is a free gift, but faith without works is dead. James 2:17-26 this is clearly seen & understood in the whole of Scriptures. Jesus Himself learn obedience by the things that He suffer, & became perfect, perfected our salvation, all for our sakes, that we may follow Him. John 14:31
Elliux2 Thank you for your comment, sadly many people in this group do not see this as clearly as you and I do. If one does not see this, it makes it truly impossible to see the True timeline in the Lastdays prophecies. It would be like trying to put a puzzle together with pieces that just don't fit, it cannot be done! And it would seem that the pre-tribulation rapture theory is the first piece of that puzzle that does not fit, which causes confusion in other parts of the prophecies. A perfect example of this is all believers in the pre-trib rapture will see ( Mt 24:29-31) as the return of Jesus on a white horse because v29 clearly says "Immediately after the tribulation". They say it has to be the return on a horse because it says ((after the tribulation))
Thats also why pre-trib believers say Mt Ch. 24 is only for the Jews, but ( Mark 13:24-27) tells us the same thing. And the last verse in that chapter is ( Mark 13:37) which says "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch". This is prophecy for us for the time we are living right now just like ( Mt 24:29-31) is prophecy for us today!
I wanted to know from the Body of Christ, do you know of any scripture that specifically or closely speaks against the AI technology that is going on right now in our country and other western nations currently? I do not like it at all, because of the obvious problems it brings with it, in coming against us as human beings in altering things, and doing things that definitely goes against the Holy Bible and the Lord himself, such as having an image of a person saying or doing something, and it not really be the actual person! THATS HORRIBLE AND DANGEROUS! Or doing things to those in the music industry, using their voice likeness to a song or songs they never did or do not approve of, that is not of them, especially for those already deceased. In the hands of those who are evil and have evil motives to do wickedness in the earth against the Lord, in harming innocent people, this is a dangerous tool, but i know the Lord knows all, and is aware of all evil persons who would try to use technology to harm innocent people in the earth. I just don't see any reason to use it, and i think it's invasive and not good AT ALL! I want nothing to do with it, I don't see how it serves any good purpose, for us human beings, i think this is another way that fallen wicked man, that invents technology like this, is trying to play "god" with the lives of those who are unsaved and do not know the Lord, and who have access to computers in the earth and to say we can do anything to anyone and destroy anything innocent and clean they would do in their lives, (e.g. patents trademarks etc.). It's a very evil slippery slope to me. I love computers and the good it does and the ability to spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to do good things and research clean, good, normal, everyday topics and stories and other things in life, but I honestly don't see it with the AI, ChaptGT technology, I'm EXTREMELY uncomfortable with it all and don't like it at ALL.
Giannis thank you for replying to this post. I was just wondering if you read this post Giannis? I think I have shown very clearly that I believe Jesus Christ (the Son of man) comes After the tribulation period in the clouds ( Mt. 24:29-31) to gather together His elect, while we are at the marriage supper of the Lamb in the air or in heaven, the wrath of God is being poured out on the disobedient non-believers who were left on the earth. THEN when the marriage supper has ended Jesus comes back riding a white horse and we come back with Him. Thats 2 completely different times and the space in between them is the wrath of God happening on the earth. Jesus comes back on the white horse to end the wrath of God and start His 1000year reign on the earth.
You said of (Lu. 21:34-36) "How is it possible that Jesus warns us not to be in a state of pleasure and caring of this life when in the great tribulation christians will suffer, persecuted and get killed for their faith in God". I would have to disagree with your interpretation of that verse Giannis. Jesus is warning us ((not to become apart of)) that evil world during that time period. ( 1 Jn. 2:15-17) v36 "WATCH"
(Lu. 21:34-36) v35 "For as a (snare) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth" The word (snare) is #3803; it means a trap (as fastened by a noose or notch) a trick or statagem. The word [statagem] means (A scheme or maneuver designed to achieve an objective, as in surprising an enemy or deceving someone)
It sounds like there will be great deception, unseen tricks, or traps set by the evil during this time period.
You said "Please pay attention to v36, that ye may be accounted worthly to escape all these things that shall come to pass"
you left out the rest of the verse, it says "and to stand before the Son of man"
The Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together His elect in ( Mt. 24:29-31) IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
Wow thank you.! Yes, I have dreams, that come true. What a blessing it has been as Im sure yur wife is as thankful. It helps to be persistant in spreading His word Tho at times I speak more from exsperience then from His word, I definitly mean well. Yet, for my own visions, Im not always sure who & never prepared for when it is put into motion. It took me years to understand judging & still learning so thank so much for yur help along w/the others. As humans we all do in some form or nother & thats why it is SO important for us to know & understand the true meaning of Christ DBR so we eventually, prayerfully, learn to let go & let God.! Nothing we can do about any happenings (even w/visions) for what is His will can not be changed by a human fretting for even a second. Lately, its a quick thought then my repenting starts. If she has tips on how to channel visions I'd be very interested to hear. As Im sure many ppl would. It could be her calling. Thanks to you both, blessings.!
Alan Matthew 13:25....While men slept an enemy came and sowed Tares among the WHEAT.....So the good seed is the WHEAT....As the word of God, that good seed is the bread from Heaven....There is a hidden manna involved.....The very reason the sower goes forth to sow his seed is that he might be multiplied as the stars of heaven.....That was the great Promise that Christ might be mutiplied as the stars of heaven.....Thus the sower and his seed.....Thus the wheat is a baby Christ simply b/c its Christ the bridegroom that is sowing his seed in humanity.....Thats y he has to know us....If he does not know us there will be no fruit which is a baby Christ.....Which is the H.G. the Child of Promise.....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME....As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit.....Thats the H.G. that is gonna be born in us via his good seed the living word.....Thats y Peter is saying being bornagain of an incorruptible even by the words of God.....We have to birth a new Creature via his good seed the word......Alan there is only 1 quota for the good fruit.....If I be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me.....ALL MEN.....And no man can come unto me unless it is given to them of my father.....Which is the father's new covenant Jeremiah 31:34.....I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest.....Alan ya gotta keep in mind that the sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom.....That y he wants to know us.....She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations.....Jesus is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven.....Thus the sower and his precious seed the bridegroom's seed thus a baby Christ.....Thats y he is saying blessed are them that follow me in the REGENERATION.....He is gonna multiply/regenerate himself in humanity via his good seed...Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains.... Jeremiah 30:6 kjv.....The Child is the H.G. THAT Promise Child.....Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you.
The Faith of Abraham and Sarah resulted in a Child called Isaac.....Which was a Child of Promise....Their Faith was a type of a pregnancy....Abraham wd be the Father of a multitude.....Sarah was too old to have Children.....But she got pregnant b/c of their faith which answers to the 1st Promise that Abraham wd be multiplied as the sands of the seas.....But God didn't Sware by himself in the 1st Promise.....Of the multiplication of Abraham's seed......God only swore by himself in the 2 nd Promise...That Christ wd be mutiplied as the stars of Heaven which was a New Covenant Gen.22 :17.....When Jesus died at Calvary....when a seed dies it multiplies...So Faith under this New covenant has a greater Promise.....Thus the Child of Promise under the new covenant is the H.G....The Child of Promise By Faith.....Real Faith under this N.C. is a spiritual pregnancy......Its Christ that is gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven..... Hebrews 11:1 Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.....When a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.....She brought forth a manchild....Which is the Child of PROMISE....Remember that 2 nd Promise when God swore by himself......Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods.....b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) Sorrows have filled your hearts a spiritual pregnancy.....As Faith comes by hearing his word which are his seeds.....Everything under this N.C. is heavenly in the spiritual realm.....As we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear the image of the heavenly.....Now its the H.G. that is the Child of Promise....Our new Heart and new Spirit.....Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit...Which is that Child of Promise the H.G.....Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of man.....Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ.....But there was no such seed under the O.T...H.G.IS GONA BE BORN IN US.
The law was given by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Christ Jesus..... John 1:17
......The law and the Prophets were until John since that time the Kingdom of God is preached and all men press into it Luke 16:16
There was no baptism of the H.G. till Christ came....Thus no new birth till Christ came.....No new Creature till Christ came....The H.G. was not given till Christ was glorified.....Thus no kingdom or real Salvation from Sin....till the woman births the manchild...... Rev. 12:10....Simply b/c the book of life was sealed with 7 seals.....Jesus wrote this book of life with his own blood at Calvary.....The O.T. answers to the 1st wine the law.....But the N.T. answers to the 2 nd wine which was the best wine.....The gift of the H.G. the Kingdom that is gonna rule all nations .....The wedding was not till the 3 rd Day which is the last day when Jesus turned the water into wine....
.......The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in Joy and Peace in the H.G. Romans 14:17.....The REAL H.G. is the Kingdom of God.
.......But the O.T. was a shadow of things to come.....Just as Abraham Isaac and Jacob were multiplied as the sands of the seas so the heavenly Godhead will be multiplied as the stars of heaven.....Thus there will be an Israel of God as the stars of heaven....The seed of Christ will produce a heavenly ppl that are gona be born in us.....Which answers to our new hearts and new spirits.....The H.G. The Children of Promise.....Flesh and blood are not the real Children of God ....Its only the Children of Promise that are counted for the good seed Roman 9:8 kjv.....Which are Spirits the H.G. Plural...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh....Thus the sower and his seed, his words as my words are SPIRIT and Life.....The field is the world...But this New Covenant is gonna make us Gods.....To whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scriptures.....Thats y the Prophets were saying what manner of love has the father bestowed on us.
Hello Alan Gbu....Lemme give ya my take on the parable of the Sower and his seed in Matthew 13.....My take is the wheat is a Baby Christ simply b/c the Sower of the good seed is Christ the bridegroom.....Thats y he has to know us in order the sow his good seed in our hearts.....Jesus said b/c i have spoken these Words ( his seed ) sorrows has filled your hearts.... a spiritual pregnancy.....But after the Child is born her sorrows are turned into Joy.... John 16:21....But the Child is spirit as he says that which is born of the spirit is spirit.....Thats the H.G. that Child of Promise....That New Creature that has to be born in us via his good seed.....Resulting in our new hearts and new Spirits....A new innerman that has to be born in us.....1 st the Child is born in us....Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God that liveth and abideth forever.....then the son, then the fullnest of the Kingdom of God in the Son the H.G. 3 measures....Untill we come into the full statue of the son of God.....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( our new birth ) you will in no wise enter there in.....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....That was the great Promise.....I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven....Thus the sower and his precious seed has to be sown in our hearts......Thats y he has to KNOW us.....And this knowledge is gonna cover this whole earth as the waters cover the seas..... Isaiah 11:9.....ok lemme go.....Hope this can be of some help to ya.....Gbu.....When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto us a Child is born, unto us a son is given. Isaiah 9 :6.....I love it
Paul was still sinning after he was saved.....Simply b/c Satan had sown a Tare in his heart and mind making him sin.... Romans 7....If i do something that i do not consent unto, its not i that does it but sin that dwells in my members.....Jesus had forewarned us that this was gonna happen to anybody that had been impregnated with the good seed.....Satan was gonna come and sow a Tare an evil seed in us resulting in a warfare with in us.....Paul said when i wd do good evil is present with me....Which was making Paul sin.....With my mind i serve the law of God but with my flesh the law of sin....Paul had become 2 ppl in his mind.....1 good and 1 evil....1 wd be taken and 1 wd be left....His thorn in the flesh was the Tare that satan had put there.....Thats y God wd not remove it even tho Paul sought GOD 3 times.....Paul wd have to endure to the end of this warfare in heaven....Which was in his mind his thorn in the flesh.....But no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus.....
......We see another picture of this warfare in Rev. 12:5.....Satan wants to destroy this woman and her Child....(Paul and his anointing ) Simply b/c satan knows that this manchild which is the H.G. The anointing that spirit of truth is gonna reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement......Thats y Paul was saying O Wretched man that i am.....Paul cd not control this Tare Satans seed that he describes as a thorn in the flesh.....Paul was sinning against his WILL.....thus no condemnation.
........ Rev 22:11.....He that is unjust let him be unjust still and he that is filthy let him be filthy still....Thats Satans seed the TARE that is within us. Warring against our minds...Violence in heaven.....Kingdom against Kingdom.
.......He that is righteous let him be righteous still ....And he that is Holy let him be Holy still..... But this is the wheat Jesus's good seed The H.G. that is at war with the Tares.....Thats y we must endure to the end 1 will be taken and 1 will be left....GB
Adam when ya preach water baptism for the remission of sins saves us you are in essence saying the Cross was insufficient.....Thats y the lord was so upset with Peter commanding water baptism.....Telling Peter 3 times what i have made clean ( by the blood of my son ) do not call common or unclean..... Acts 10:15....
All the unclean animals in that great sheet was ( humanity ) the Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb of God.....Not water baptism that Peter was commanding.....In Acts 11:15.....Once Peter understood the vision he said then i remembered the words of our Lord.....John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire......Peter neva commands water baptism again for the remission of sins after Acts 11.....Even in the O.T. without the shedding of BLOOD THERE WAS NO REMISSION OF SINS......When ya tell folks they need water baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS you are in essence saying the CROSS that New COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD was insufficent.....Thats y the Lord was so upset with Peter commanding water baptism for the remission of sins....When Jesus said its finished there is absolutely Nothing else can be added....No kind of a work....k gbu
Big difference David between the Old covenant and the New covenant....Jesus said many prophets and righteous Men has desired to see the things you see and HEAR the things you hear but heard them Not.....Hear ye therefore the parable of the Sower and his seed.....Thats y Jesus said he that is least in the Kingdom is greater then John....John was the O.C.....But the H.G. was not yet given in the O.T......And cd not be given till Jesus was GLORIFIED.....When the sower will go forth to sow his seed in humanity Jesus is gona be glorified Which is multiplication of his seed.....As the script. says the glory of the father are his Children.....Which are spirits as that which is born of the spirit is spirit.....The H.G. is the multiplication of Christ Jesus....Thats y they refer to the H.G. as the Promise.....Under the O.C. it was Isaac that was the Child of Promise....Impling natural Israel.....But under this N.C. its the H.G. that is the Child of Promise...Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit...Imping an Israel of God that is gonna be born in us via his good seed the living word that N.C...There is no Salvation or Kingdom until the woman births the manchild which is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE..... Rev 12:10
........What the scriptures are trying to tell us is....there is no Salvation from sin till we birth the H.G. That CHILD OF Promise.....A lil Child is gonna lead them....Thats y Jesus is telling us Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G.) You will in no wise enter there in.....As that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit.....Which answers to our new heart and new SPIRIT.....That New CREATURE....The woman in Rev.12 keeps the commandments simply b/c she has birth the Child of Promise the H.G....Which is the testimony of Jesus.....that Spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations.....And reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judegment....Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...not in O.T..
The only perfect translation is the book in the right hand of the FATHER that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Which is the book of Life.....Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.....Which is baptism of the H.G. and fire. .....There can not be any righteousness or Judgement or sinlessness.....Till the woman gives birth to the manchild that is gona rule all nations with a rod of iron....No Salvation or kingdom till the Child is born in us.... Rev. 12 :10.....Its only the Child that can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Thus this world cannot attain true righteousness till the manchild is born in us sinners.
.......Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G.) you will in no wise enter there in.....As that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit which is that Child of Promise that has to be BORN in us via his good seeds.....Thats y he has to know us, if he does not know us there will be no Child of Promise the H.G.....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin.....The spirit has to be BORN in us which is the H.G.....Thats y Jesus refers to the H.G. as a child simply b/c he has to be BORN in us via his good seed..... Rev 20:12 kjv....The contents of the book of life.....My words are spirit and life ...Jesus is the author of this book of life....All the bibles and Churches in this world can reprove this world of sin and Righteousness and Judgement.....Its only by the blood of the lamb of God that this New Covenant is come to humanity....And The Mercy of God that wanted to give humanity a new Covenant via the Blood of Jesus The lamb of God....Its was Jesus that impregnated this woman in Rev 12 :5 by his living words/seeds....B/C I have spoken these words Sorrows ( a spiritual pregnancy) have filled your hearts...But after the Child is come her sorrows are turned into Joy.....The Child is Salvation and a kingdom.....This Woman knew Jesus thus the Children
There are 2 facets to the Cross the new Covenant from Calvary....Plz keep that in mind.....One is redemption for humanity via his precious blood.....But the 2 nd is multiplication of his seed...Smite the Shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ONES....The babes and suckling he mentions that can worship God with a Perfect Praise.....That are gonna be born in us that hear his words his seeds.....Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such Child in my NAME receiveth ME.....Which are the Children of Promise.....An Israel of God.....The Children of the kingdom...
.......That was the great PROMISE..... Genesis 22:17......I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven.....Thus multiplication of his precious seed in humanity.....Resulting in a Baby Christ born in us sinners who cd not keep the law in a Dream.....And this Child is born of God in us and he cannot sin.....Thus fulfilling the law.....The 2 nd facet is truly multiplication of his seed in humanity...Thus the sower and his precious seed.....When a seed dies it multiplies.....He told the Greeks unless a seed dies it abides alone...Just 1 seed ....but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit many Christ.....Everybody is gonna get a seed thus everybody is gonna birth him.....The Greeks wanted to see him.....The whole world is gonna see him b/c of what he did at Calvary that New Covenant in his blood....Remember God Almighty was so passionate about this Promise of multiplication that he swore by his very self...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scriptures cannot be broken....Living scriptures his offspring born in us via his seed.....Thats y the woman is giving birth ,its simply a picture of multiplication of his seed.....And thats y the dragon satan wants to kill the woman and her CHILD...Her Child is gonna reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement....Which is the spirit of truth Jesus spoke of.
This new covenant is NOT like the old covenant..... Jeremiah 31:34.....I will make a new covenant NOT ACCORDING to the old covenant....With the house of Israel and Judah......But this New Covenant was addressed to the Gentiles also.....If ya be in Christ Jesus then are you ABRAHAMS SEED....Gal.3:29.....And heirs according to the Promise....That PROMISE of multiplication of Christ seed.....The field being the world.....God so loved the world.....Thus all inclusive of all sinners.....If i be lifted up ( the blood of the new covenant) i will draw all men unto me.....But this New Covenant is dependent on a heavenly birth.....A Child has to be born in us which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail n birth pains J 30:6
......There was a Child involved in the O.C which was Isaac whom they refered to as the Child of Promise.....But under this new Covenant the Child is a heavenly Child the H.G.....Which is the Child of Promise.....1 Cor.15:49.....As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear the image of the heavenly which is the H.G. the child of Promise.....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Thus the need for the sower and his precious seed to be sown in our hearts.....Initiating a heavenly Birth....Thats y he has to know us.....That his good seed the living word might be sown in our hearts resulting in a spritual pregnancy which is FAITH ....The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.....Which is the Child of Promise.....The H.G. as that which is born of the spirit is spirit the H.G.....Our new heart and new spirit that new Creature.... Rev. 12 :10...Plz note the Kingdom nor any Salvation comes till the woman gives birth.....Our new birth our good fruit ....Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.....Under the O.C. there was a nation of Israel and under the N.C. Comes another Israel they are HEAVENLY..The H.G. AN Israel of God..GB
Rev. 12 :17.....And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF God AND HAVE the testimony of Christ Jesus....
Why wd this woman keep the commandments when she has the testimony of Jesus.....Simply b/c the Child she has given birth to is the testimony of Jesus.....Remember Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Her Child is the testimony of Jesus .....And its he that is born of God that cannot sin....Her Child that is born of God cannot SIN...PERIOD.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....She can keep the commandments without even trying simply b/c her Child is the H.G. and its impossible for her Child to sin......Her Child is the testimony of Jesus....Sin is the transgression of the law but this woman cannot sin simply b/c a Baby Christ has been born in her that cannot transgress the law.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....Not done away with but fulfilled in a perfect sense.....She is being led by a lil Child the H.G.....That Child of Promise...Multiplication of his seed. the living word....God has put the law in her heart in the form of a baby Christ the H.G.....Thats what he did at Calvary in his blood.....Made a New Covenant that can only be accessed by hearing his voice the living word....Thats y the scripture is saying the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death..... Romans 8 :2 kjv
Romans 3:31 kjv.....Do we make void the law by faith....NO....God forbid, we establish the law.....Simply b/c Christ is gona be born with in us by FAITH...A spiritual Pregnancy....The son of Man....And its he that is born of God with in us that cannot sin thus the law is established....Not I that lives but Christ that Lives in me....Paul
I cannot see Jesus breaking one of the 10 commandments.....
I disagree with you GI GI.....We cannot study our selves into the Kingdom of God.....Its gotta come by divine revelation.....and a Child has to be born in us which is the H.G. That Child of Promise.....As Jesus told Peter Flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but my Father in heaven.....Which is the H.G. the gift of God.....An incorruptible seed has to be sown in us that initiates a new Birth of Christ in us....Thats y he has to know us....So that his good seed will be sown in our hearts.....Thus the babes and sucklings .....Which are baby Gods thats y their praise is perfect.....Outa of the mouths of babes and suckling thou has perfected Praise.....To whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken.....
His good seed the word has to be sown in our hearts initiating Faith a spiritual pregnancy....When a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....But our fetus is the H.G....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit...She brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations which is that spirit of truth that is gona reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgment.... Gal 4 :19 My lil CHILDREN of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you.....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....That Hidden manna.....Plz note their is no SALVATION OR KINGDOM till the woman gives birth to the Children as says in Rev. 12 :10.....Thats y Jesus is saying these things are HID from the wise and Prudent...But only revealed unto babes....His babes...His seed etc....Behold me and the Children the lord has given me are they not for signs and wonders to the house of Israel.....They are our new hearts and new spirits.....The H.G. is truly the Israel of God a heavenly ppl that are gonna be born in us....The sun does not lite on them or any heat nor do they ever hunger or thirst simply b/c they are Spirits..Th H.G....
Hello Guys no offence.....But there is no Salvation or kingdom of God till the woman gives birth...In Rev. 12:10....And i heard a loud voice from heaven saying NOW NOW is come Salvation and strength and the Kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ ( the Womans Child ) For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which assused them before our God day and night and they over came him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony....
This is y Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.....Which is the New Birth of Christ in us.....She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations....And her Child was caught up to God and to his Throne.....If we don't bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G....The Child of PROMISE...We will not enter the Kingdom of God,
This Child of Promise is gonna be born in us that hears his words his good seeds.....Who is my Mother and brethren them that hears my words and keeps them...Today if you will hear his voice (his good seed) harden not your hearts...Thats what Faith is a spiritual pregnancy.....B/c of his seeds the words of the book...That New Covenant in his blood at Calvary the living word....The Child is the H.G. and is alive...And is in essence Christ in us.....This New Covenant is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of a Child in everyone... Jeremiah 31:34 I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest....This knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas.... Isaiah 11:9.....There will be no more seas of humanity that have not been washed in his blood....I will stain ALL MY RAIMENT....Tho your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow....As there is no fuller on this earth that can whiten us like his blood.....Its only the manchild the H.G. that spirit of truth that can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Thats y Jesus mentions the babes and sucklings an Israel of God on th Horizon.
What does it mean to be born again? Good question ....As Peter says being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth and abideth for ever.....meaning by the living word which is spirit.....My Words are spirit and life....The Woman in Rev.12 :5 is the best example of being bornagain....And she is giving birth to a baby Christ thats y Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Plz note Rev.12:10....No Kingdom or any kind of Salvation comes till the woman gives birth to the Child which is the H.G. the Child of Promise.....Jesus plainly tells us That Which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that is born in us via his spirit his living word.....Thats y he has to know us....So that his good seed might be sown in our hearts and minds producting a baby Christ.....The wheat is a baby Christ simply b/c the sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom.....Even in the natural a BIRTH IS ALWAYS INDICATIVE OF A CHILD.....As we have borne the image of the earthy our 1 st birth we must also birth the image of the Heavenly a spiritul Child the H.G. that Child of Promise.....Thats y Jesus always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN.....Mankind needs to birth a baby Christ in our hearts and minds....That New CREATURE.....Our new hearts n new spirits
Gal. 4 :19....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you.....Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a New Creature which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....Thats y the woman is giving birth to the baby the manchild that is gona rule all nations.....Which is that spirit of truth that is gona reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement....But this baby Spirit has to be born in us via his good seed the living word....Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....But he is just an infant that cannot speak of himself..GB
Part 1
I was relating to Gigi's insert of Revelation 13:8. It parallels with 1 Peter 1:19-21 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
I don't believe Jesus had a mission to complete to "become" the unblemished Lamb of God. He existed in the realm of eternity in the God head before he took on flesh.
You are correct, I was referring to 1 Corinthians 15.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(JESUS, A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT) In John 14:6-7 Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jesus said this before he was crucified and resurrected.
Verses 47-49
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Jesus was the Heavenly before the foundation of the world, he didn't have to wait on the resurrection to be what he already is.
The resurrection proved he is who he says he is.
We are baptized into eternal life!
Thats his life!
Eternal has no beginning nor ending!
Running out of space, See part 2.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Matt 10. 28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Roman's 6. 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 2. 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Corinthians 15. 51-58
54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
2nd Timothy 1. 10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.
Scripturally. (Hell)
Rev 21.8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matt 25. 46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Rev 20. 10 10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20. 1414
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20. 15 15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.
May God Bless you without measure.
Galatians 1:8-9.
Jordyn said;
Those who believe they DIED and were made ONE in Christ, will never die again.
Those who don't believe they DIED, and the resurrection made them ONE as the Father and Son and son are ONE will be cast into prison, the GRAVE. "Made one in Christ" in Jordyn's opinion means you become Gods"
Is this not another Gospel?
More issues.
Jordyn claims the flesh of the unbelievers is the devil and the bottomless pit mentioned in Revelation 20:2-3 is the grave.
He also claims we are already living in the 1000 years mention in verse 5.
He claims the unbelievers/Devil will be loosed out of the grave, "resurrected" in Revelation 20:7.
After all the dead are raised at the second resurrection, "LOOSED OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT" the Sons of God "WILL PREACH THE TRUTH TO THEM ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THE RESURRECTION"
LET'S EXAMINE.
Revelation 20:7-8. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
AND SHALL GO OUT TO DECIEVE THE NATIONS which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(Jordyn says these verses says the unbelievers will preach the truth!)
The bible says Satan will deceive the nations!
So, Jordyn says God will judge the unbelievers by the word of God and give them the truth and mercy given to us, and they will have DIED the second death, and also become the SONS of God and will enter the Kingdom. Thats what he gets out of Revelation 20:2-8.
However, Look at Revelation 22:11-15. SOME REMAIN UNJUST!
Some have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Some are seen here in verse 15. "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
BEWARE OF WHO YOU FOLLOW! NO CHILD OF GOD WOULD DO SUCH BLASPHEMY TO THE WORD OF GOD!
Revelation 22:19.
God bless.
My King was born King. He's a Seven Way King. He's the King of the Jews. That's a racial King. He's the King of Israel. That's a National King. He's the King of righteousness. He's the King of the ages.He's the King of Heaven. He's the King of glory. He's the King of kings and. He is the Lord of lords. David said the Heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament show His handiwork. My King is the only one whom there are no means of measure can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of His shore of supplies. No barriers can hinder Him from pouring out His blessing. He's enduringly strong. He's entirely sincere. He's eternally steadfast. He's immortally graceful. He's imperially powerful. He's impartially merciful. He's God's Son. He's the sinner's saviour. He stands alone in Himself. He's honest. He's unique. He's unparalleled. He's unprecedented. He's supreme. He's pre-eminent.He's the grandest idea in literature He's the highest personality in philosophy.He's the supreme problem in high criticism He's the fundamental doctrine of proved theology. That's my King.He's the miracle of the age .He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him. Well, He's the only one able to supply all of our needs simultaneously. He supplies strength for the weak. He's available for the tempted and the tried.He sympathizes and He saves. He's strong God and He guides. He heals the sick. He cleanses the lepers. He forgives sinners.
He discharged debtors. He delivers the captives. He defends the feeble. He blesses the young. He serves the unfortunate. He regards the aged. He rewards the diligent and He beautifies the meek. He's is a King of knowledge. He's the wellspring of wisdom. He's the doorway of deliverance. He's the pathway of peace. He's the roadway of righteousness. He's the highway of holiness. He's the gateway of glory. THATS MY KING, AUDIO ON YOUTUBE.
Cain was of that wicked one, Cain was the son of the serpent which was Satan.
( Gen 3:3) .."neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die" The word (touch) is #5060; it means to lie with a woman.
( Gen 3:13) "And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent (beguiled) me; and I did eat". The word (beguiled) is #5377; it means morally to seduce.
( Gen 3:14-15) v15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and (between) ((thy seed)) and ((her seed))"...
The word (seed) is #2233; it means carnally, child, to disseminate, bear, conceive seed.
God said He would put enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
( Gen 3:16) "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiple thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children"...
Why else would God multiple her sorrow and conception?
Multiplied conception means the woman had twins, Cain was the son of the serpent, and Abel the son of Adam.
Thats why John said in ( 1 Jn 3:12) "Not as Cain, who was ((of that wicked one)) and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous". Cain was of the seed of that wicked one!
( Jn 8:43-44) v44 "Ye are ((of your father the devil)), and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it".
Many don't want to see, or believe this is true, but the Word of God will speak for itself if we get our own interpretation, or the things we have been taught by other men out of the way. Truth matters.
Blessings.
I agree with you on some very excellent points. In particular you stated: "it is also an active response from the heart of a person who truly desires to accept Christ as Savior"
It's all about us being Active! Many "modern day christians" will disagree and say they have to do nothing, it's all on Christ. It's simple, if we don't respond to Christ and take action that he commands- we don't get our salvation!
There are many actions we are required to take after we accept Jesus as our saviour, like
Picking up our cross, thats a daily action.
Repenting from sin, a daily action.
Turning our backs on the world, a daily action.
Showing love and serving our fellow man, a daily action.
Praying is a daily action.
Following God's/Jesus Commandments, a daily action.
I could go on, but it's easy to see that if we accept Christ as our saviour and we have the Holy Spirit we will be very busy serving Him.
On the other hand, if we say we are saved and living worldly lives, we are only fooling ourselves. 1John 2:15
GBU
Thanks for your reply, I've been on a two-day work trip and couldn't find time to engage.
I thought you were giving these guys a break on their belief because they are friends of yours. I also consider them as friends of mine, and I care for them as well, but I won't compromise because this is far to important. Bro Dan and I have had a friendly debate in the past, before you joined the site.
Adam and Chris were the two guys that stood out and influenced me when I joined the site a few years ago. I have a lot of respect for Adam and his zeal for truth and righteousness. I just believe he on the wrong side of Salvation if holds to anything other than salvation is by grace alone.
If I was to take those positive things they display and act if those things trump the belief of salvation by grace and join their side in this debate fearing I might defend them. I would be putting before God, Thats Carnal.
I have to go now. My wife is kidnapping me.
I will be back later.
God bless.
They have stuck to this position for years.
You said its Christ's soul not Davids soul in view. How does that change the fact that the word hell has the meaning of "the place or state of departed souls"? Its not me differentiating between the soul and spirit of man David I'm only showing what the Word of God tells us about the soul and spirit being divided or separated. You asked if I'm aware of any other verses? ( 1 Thess 5:23) would be one.
In ( 1 Thess 4:13) Who are "them which are asleep"?
In ( 1 Thess 4:14) Here we see "them also which sleep in Jesus" and also "will God bring with him" This verse tells us those which sleep in Jesus will come back with Him. This is the spirit.
In ( 1 Thess 4:16) We see "and the dead in Christ shall rise first". Where are these dead in Christ rising from David?
We see those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him, this would be the spirit.
And we see the dead in Christ shall rise first, this would be the soul rising from the grave. ( Jn 5:28-29) v28 "all that are in the graves shall hear his voice". v29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation".
You asked if being Born again occurred in the spirit or the soul? That would have to be both because the spirit returns with Christ and the soul rises from the grave to be reunited with the spirit.
I'm not quite sure about your 1 Cor ch15 question.
You said that Jesus endured the wrath of God? The wrath of God is violent passion, or [justifiable] abhorrence, by implying punishment, anger, indignation, vengeance.
Jesus laid down His life, God wasn't angry with Him, God did not punish Jesus to bring eternal life to all who Believe in Him, men did that. Jesus suffered for the sins of the world but it was not vengeance from God. Thats how I see this.
Thank you for your response David.
When and if you really get serious about breaking free from sin, God will give you the power if you increase your Faith and believe that you can! Right now, I don't think you believe that it is possible because you have said as much. Matt 17:20 Prayer works wonders!
Yes, I have been in the process of turning my back on this world, over the years I gave up drinking, bars, nightclubs, sports, movies, concerts, worldly music, striving to make money, fancy clothes, fancy cars, collecting things, etc. anything that the Holy Spirit convicts me now as lustful/sinful. I only watch a small amount of TV for keeping up with current news, and I have cut back on that, and may completely at some point as I can get some news on line. I wouldn't mind throwing the TV out right now, my wife might get still get mad at me if I do, I'm going to keep working on that one:) It's a process for sure.
You asked:" However , I have not sold all my possessions and given all the money to the poor , have you?" Currently, I own a small modest house with my wife, transportation own a used 1997 pickup truck, I work on myself, don't need or want anything new or fancy. At this point in life, I have a roof, a bed, enough food, and thats all I need. I'm a tradesman always involved in construction, spend some free time now helping others in need, to make repairs and upgrades on their homes in my neighborhood free of charge, I try to help others whenever I can, as I feel God has blessed me with my hands to perform any type of work/creation. My wife also spends a lot of time/money helping others.
At this point whatever we have over and above essential living expenses, we are willing to help others as the Spirit moves us, and we do, and that is all for the glory of God. If the Spirit moves me "to give everything up" and hit the streets to evangelize full time I will heed that call. I leave all up to God.
GBU
I too am struggling w/ppl around me yet keep my mind on Him. If we let our mind stray, soon the heart will follow & thats when evil creeps in slowly. Before you know it, its to late & we'r falling into sin. Evil will flee if you keep repeating Jesus name for satan can Not hear our thoughts. I pray quietly yet when in dire need of our Lord, it can be heard. God bless 'Texsis'.
I agree 100% what you have said that OT Israel knew nothing of a coming Messiah's Sacrifice of His Life for them & substitutionary payment. Hence, the word 'Gospel' mentioned in Hebrews 4 is not the same Gospel they received as is the complete Gospel that the Apostles preached post-Cross. (Perhaps not in the way it is preached in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
I believe the OT saints did what was required of them at that time to make them just with God. Their temporal rituals and sacrifices exemplified the Gospel and perhaps the resurrection was preached by "type" when Issac was offered as a sacrifice by Abraham. Hebrews 11:17-19.
However, could they have perceived it, being that Jeremiah 31:31-34 have not taken place yet?
When we study Hebrews in its entirety, we know that this new covenant was not to come under the Levitical covenant. This is clearly seen in Hebrews Ch 7 and 8.
So, when we look back at this, Israel mind was blinded and there was a veil upon their hearts, as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when "it" shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. (The "it" mentioned here is their hearts.)
When Israel turns their hearts to God the veil and the blindness shall be taken away.
This is what Paul is saying in Romans 11.
Israel was incapable of receiving the revelation of the Gospel under the Levitical High Priest and if you study the Gospels carefully, neither could the Apostles until the death of the one that filled the role of the Levitical Priesthood at the Cross.
(I believe this is what John's baptism was all about)
The resurrection began the new covenant under the new Priest hood. ( Hebrews 7:15-16.)
Now Christ faith in them will give them rest.
Thats future for them as a Nation
I can't tell you how Dan would answer that question,
but here's mine
It's not a work of our self-efforts in our own strengths or our own understanding, it following the Light of Christ in our hearts, the still small Voice of Conscience that convicts us of our wrong doings & directs us to do what is just, good & holy, Titus 2:11
Micah 6:8 , its the Treasure we have in these earthen vessels, enlightening us in the power of Holy Spirit, picking up the Cross & denying self, & causing us to will & do of His good pleasure, which works were finishes from the foundation of the world, Hebrews 4:3 Acts 15:18 We enter into His works, coming to a place of rest from our own works
Then there some that are persuaded they don't have to do anything, but believe, without becoming a doer of the Word, thats more like being a demon, for they believes, but they do not obey.
Consider all that Scriptures, beginning with Abraham, Gen 18:19 by his obedience Abraham proved his faith & his love for God
John 15:10 he abided in God's love & received all that God had promise him, through his obedience to God's commands.
Today's Christianity says you can be a Christian without keeping His commandments, God loves you & His grace got you covered. This is a changing of the definition of Grace, which is defined in Scripture as Titus 2:12 Grace is the power of God to reveal our sins & to takes us out of them, not to encourage or pamper us in our sins.
Friends, God salvation is a free gift, but faith without works is dead. James 2:17-26 this is clearly seen & understood in the whole of Scriptures. Jesus Himself learn obedience by the things that He suffer, & became perfect, perfected our salvation, all for our sakes, that we may follow Him. John 14:31
in love & truth
Thats also why pre-trib believers say Mt Ch. 24 is only for the Jews, but ( Mark 13:24-27) tells us the same thing. And the last verse in that chapter is ( Mark 13:37) which says "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch". This is prophecy for us for the time we are living right now just like ( Mt 24:29-31) is prophecy for us today!
Again thank you Elliux2 for your comment.
Blessings to you and all who seek His Truth.
You said of (Lu. 21:34-36) "How is it possible that Jesus warns us not to be in a state of pleasure and caring of this life when in the great tribulation christians will suffer, persecuted and get killed for their faith in God". I would have to disagree with your interpretation of that verse Giannis. Jesus is warning us ((not to become apart of)) that evil world during that time period. ( 1 Jn. 2:15-17) v36 "WATCH"
(Lu. 21:34-36) v35 "For as a (snare) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth" The word (snare) is #3803; it means a trap (as fastened by a noose or notch) a trick or statagem. The word [statagem] means (A scheme or maneuver designed to achieve an objective, as in surprising an enemy or deceving someone)
It sounds like there will be great deception, unseen tricks, or traps set by the evil during this time period.
You said "Please pay attention to v36, that ye may be accounted worthly to escape all these things that shall come to pass"
you left out the rest of the verse, it says "and to stand before the Son of man"
The Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together His elect in ( Mt. 24:29-31) IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
What will be escaped will be the wrath of God.
see p2
......The law and the Prophets were until John since that time the Kingdom of God is preached and all men press into it Luke 16:16
There was no baptism of the H.G. till Christ came....Thus no new birth till Christ came.....No new Creature till Christ came....The H.G. was not given till Christ was glorified.....Thus no kingdom or real Salvation from Sin....till the woman births the manchild...... Rev. 12:10....Simply b/c the book of life was sealed with 7 seals.....Jesus wrote this book of life with his own blood at Calvary.....The O.T. answers to the 1st wine the law.....But the N.T. answers to the 2 nd wine which was the best wine.....The gift of the H.G. the Kingdom that is gonna rule all nations .....The wedding was not till the 3 rd Day which is the last day when Jesus turned the water into wine....
.......The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in Joy and Peace in the H.G. Romans 14:17.....The REAL H.G. is the Kingdom of God.
.......But the O.T. was a shadow of things to come.....Just as Abraham Isaac and Jacob were multiplied as the sands of the seas so the heavenly Godhead will be multiplied as the stars of heaven.....Thus there will be an Israel of God as the stars of heaven....The seed of Christ will produce a heavenly ppl that are gona be born in us.....Which answers to our new hearts and new spirits.....The H.G. The Children of Promise.....Flesh and blood are not the real Children of God ....Its only the Children of Promise that are counted for the good seed Roman 9:8 kjv.....Which are Spirits the H.G. Plural...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh....Thus the sower and his seed, his words as my words are SPIRIT and Life.....The field is the world...But this New Covenant is gonna make us Gods.....To whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scriptures.....Thats y the Prophets were saying what manner of love has the father bestowed on us.
......We see another picture of this warfare in Rev. 12:5.....Satan wants to destroy this woman and her Child....(Paul and his anointing ) Simply b/c satan knows that this manchild which is the H.G. The anointing that spirit of truth is gonna reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement......Thats y Paul was saying O Wretched man that i am.....Paul cd not control this Tare Satans seed that he describes as a thorn in the flesh.....Paul was sinning against his WILL.....thus no condemnation.
........ Rev 22:11.....He that is unjust let him be unjust still and he that is filthy let him be filthy still....Thats Satans seed the TARE that is within us. Warring against our minds...Violence in heaven.....Kingdom against Kingdom.
.......He that is righteous let him be righteous still ....And he that is Holy let him be Holy still..... But this is the wheat Jesus's good seed The H.G. that is at war with the Tares.....Thats y we must endure to the end 1 will be taken and 1 will be left....GB
All the unclean animals in that great sheet was ( humanity ) the Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb of God.....Not water baptism that Peter was commanding.....In Acts 11:15.....Once Peter understood the vision he said then i remembered the words of our Lord.....John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire......Peter neva commands water baptism again for the remission of sins after Acts 11.....Even in the O.T. without the shedding of BLOOD THERE WAS NO REMISSION OF SINS......When ya tell folks they need water baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS you are in essence saying the CROSS that New COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD was insufficent.....Thats y the Lord was so upset with Peter commanding water baptism for the remission of sins....When Jesus said its finished there is absolutely Nothing else can be added....No kind of a work....k gbu
........What the scriptures are trying to tell us is....there is no Salvation from sin till we birth the H.G. That CHILD OF Promise.....A lil Child is gonna lead them....Thats y Jesus is telling us Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G.) You will in no wise enter there in.....As that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit.....Which answers to our new heart and new SPIRIT.....That New CREATURE....The woman in Rev.12 keeps the commandments simply b/c she has birth the Child of Promise the H.G....Which is the testimony of Jesus.....that Spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations.....And reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judegment....Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...not in O.T..
.......Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G.) you will in no wise enter there in.....As that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit which is that Child of Promise that has to be BORN in us via his good seeds.....Thats y he has to know us, if he does not know us there will be no Child of Promise the H.G.....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin.....The spirit has to be BORN in us which is the H.G.....Thats y Jesus refers to the H.G. as a child simply b/c he has to be BORN in us via his good seed..... Rev 20:12 kjv....The contents of the book of life.....My words are spirit and life ...Jesus is the author of this book of life....All the bibles and Churches in this world can reprove this world of sin and Righteousness and Judgement.....Its only by the blood of the lamb of God that this New Covenant is come to humanity....And The Mercy of God that wanted to give humanity a new Covenant via the Blood of Jesus The lamb of God....Its was Jesus that impregnated this woman in Rev 12 :5 by his living words/seeds....B/C I have spoken these words Sorrows ( a spiritual pregnancy) have filled your hearts...But after the Child is come her sorrows are turned into Joy.....The Child is Salvation and a kingdom.....This Woman knew Jesus thus the Children
.......That was the great PROMISE..... Genesis 22:17......I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven.....Thus multiplication of his precious seed in humanity.....Resulting in a Baby Christ born in us sinners who cd not keep the law in a Dream.....And this Child is born of God in us and he cannot sin.....Thus fulfilling the law.....The 2 nd facet is truly multiplication of his seed in humanity...Thus the sower and his precious seed.....When a seed dies it multiplies.....He told the Greeks unless a seed dies it abides alone...Just 1 seed ....but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit many Christ.....Everybody is gonna get a seed thus everybody is gonna birth him.....The Greeks wanted to see him.....The whole world is gonna see him b/c of what he did at Calvary that New Covenant in his blood....Remember God Almighty was so passionate about this Promise of multiplication that he swore by his very self...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scriptures cannot be broken....Living scriptures his offspring born in us via his seed.....Thats y the woman is giving birth ,its simply a picture of multiplication of his seed.....And thats y the dragon satan wants to kill the woman and her CHILD...Her Child is gonna reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement....Which is the spirit of truth Jesus spoke of.
......There was a Child involved in the O.C which was Isaac whom they refered to as the Child of Promise.....But under this new Covenant the Child is a heavenly Child the H.G.....Which is the Child of Promise.....1 Cor.15:49.....As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear the image of the heavenly which is the H.G. the child of Promise.....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Thus the need for the sower and his precious seed to be sown in our hearts.....Initiating a heavenly Birth....Thats y he has to know us.....That his good seed the living word might be sown in our hearts resulting in a spritual pregnancy which is FAITH ....The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.....Which is the Child of Promise.....The H.G. as that which is born of the spirit is spirit the H.G.....Our new heart and new spirit that new Creature.... Rev. 12 :10...Plz note the Kingdom nor any Salvation comes till the woman gives birth.....Our new birth our good fruit ....Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.....Under the O.C. there was a nation of Israel and under the N.C. Comes another Israel they are HEAVENLY..The H.G. AN Israel of God..GB
Why wd this woman keep the commandments when she has the testimony of Jesus.....Simply b/c the Child she has given birth to is the testimony of Jesus.....Remember Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Her Child is the testimony of Jesus .....And its he that is born of God that cannot sin....Her Child that is born of God cannot SIN...PERIOD.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....She can keep the commandments without even trying simply b/c her Child is the H.G. and its impossible for her Child to sin......Her Child is the testimony of Jesus....Sin is the transgression of the law but this woman cannot sin simply b/c a Baby Christ has been born in her that cannot transgress the law.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....Not done away with but fulfilled in a perfect sense.....She is being led by a lil Child the H.G.....That Child of Promise...Multiplication of his seed. the living word....God has put the law in her heart in the form of a baby Christ the H.G.....Thats what he did at Calvary in his blood.....Made a New Covenant that can only be accessed by hearing his voice the living word....Thats y the scripture is saying the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death..... Romans 8 :2 kjv
Romans 3:31 kjv.....Do we make void the law by faith....NO....God forbid, we establish the law.....Simply b/c Christ is gona be born with in us by FAITH...A spiritual Pregnancy....The son of Man....And its he that is born of God with in us that cannot sin thus the law is established....Not I that lives but Christ that Lives in me....Paul
I cannot see Jesus breaking one of the 10 commandments.....
His good seed the word has to be sown in our hearts initiating Faith a spiritual pregnancy....When a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....But our fetus is the H.G....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit...She brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations which is that spirit of truth that is gona reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgment.... Gal 4 :19 My lil CHILDREN of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you.....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....That Hidden manna.....Plz note their is no SALVATION OR KINGDOM till the woman gives birth to the Children as says in Rev. 12 :10.....Thats y Jesus is saying these things are HID from the wise and Prudent...But only revealed unto babes....His babes...His seed etc....Behold me and the Children the lord has given me are they not for signs and wonders to the house of Israel.....They are our new hearts and new spirits.....The H.G. is truly the Israel of God a heavenly ppl that are gonna be born in us....The sun does not lite on them or any heat nor do they ever hunger or thirst simply b/c they are Spirits..Th H.G....
This is y Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.....Which is the New Birth of Christ in us.....She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations....And her Child was caught up to God and to his Throne.....If we don't bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G....The Child of PROMISE...We will not enter the Kingdom of God,
This Child of Promise is gonna be born in us that hears his words his good seeds.....Who is my Mother and brethren them that hears my words and keeps them...Today if you will hear his voice (his good seed) harden not your hearts...Thats what Faith is a spiritual pregnancy.....B/c of his seeds the words of the book...That New Covenant in his blood at Calvary the living word....The Child is the H.G. and is alive...And is in essence Christ in us.....This New Covenant is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of a Child in everyone... Jeremiah 31:34 I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest....This knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas.... Isaiah 11:9.....There will be no more seas of humanity that have not been washed in his blood....I will stain ALL MY RAIMENT....Tho your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow....As there is no fuller on this earth that can whiten us like his blood.....Its only the manchild the H.G. that spirit of truth that can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Thats y Jesus mentions the babes and sucklings an Israel of God on th Horizon.
Gal. 4 :19....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you.....Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a New Creature which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....Thats y the woman is giving birth to the baby the manchild that is gona rule all nations.....Which is that spirit of truth that is gona reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement....But this baby Spirit has to be born in us via his good seed the living word....Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....But he is just an infant that cannot speak of himself..GB
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