In the Old Testament; there were 2 types of roles for a Prophet. In 1 Chronicles 21:9-13 we have Gad who is David's "seer".
He was given the task of telling David after the Satanically inspired census that there were 3 punishments that would result.
He had no need at that time apparently to mention what the punishment was for as David apparently realized the error of his ways. That is different than Nathan the Prophet at the time he took Bathsheeba as his wife and had Uriah the Hittite set up to die on the front lines in 2 Samuel 11. It would seem that Proverbs 6:34 showed Solomon's wisdom in avoiding showing feigned favor to the husband of a woman someone else is involved with; perhaps it was inspired from what happened in part with David and his mother years previous.
The second role was more of a general statement of future events covered in much of the "major prophets" such as Daniel; Jeremiah; Isaiah and Ezekiel and the minor ones (with smaller overall text) such as Zechariah; Zephaniah; etc.
I am no expert on the office of Prophet today but it seems cessationists may say a Pastor teaching from the Word is also in that type of ministry. I would also say that those who use the Word only as a warning could be in that category. The controversy is if these "signs and wonders" gifts have ceased. I would first eliminate all the pretenders who clearly make things up from their imaginations and false prophets and those who have no factual basis or vary vague statements about persons or events that are very subjective. We are also warned that should someone say something that doesn't come to pass OR that DOES but incites us to worship a false God is to be ignored and kicked out of any church if they try to do this. (See Deut. 18:22 and Deut. 13:2).
We must also avoid fear of things to come. Someone telling the truth should offer some hope even in the worst warnings. The biggest red flag is always predicting prosperity.
Error: In my last post I meant the second wife of MOSES. In questioning this she not only could be said to be discriminating RACIALLY; but also it involved cultural assimilation which she was stubborn about. The big point as well would be Moses and his authority which was questioned in Numbers 12. She felt that herself and Aaron should have more say; and we can remember the verse "rebellion is as witchcraft" in such actions (1 Samuel 15:23). It makes one wonder what went down when Aaron was honoring the golden calf when Moses was in the mountains the first 40 days and nights as to the silence of Miriam with such disgraceful condescension; again a warning to women in leadership.
Liars: Final warning of those in hell from Revelation 21:8
Definition: Merriam-Webster defines a liar as someone who tells lies. No comment here on how great that definition is..:(
I will state as I have numerous times that no names need to be given here; just a mere mention of politics whether "donkeys or elephants" should suffice. I have said to people on occasion that a liar is worse than a murderer. The Apostle Paul is my "exhibit A" in that he at least was complicit in murder but did it in ignorance ( 1 Timothy 1:13). What we can't say is that he ever lied about his intentions; everyone knew his impassioned motives in the persecution. Lying is probably the most common methodology for maintaining a lifestyle of sin; if not lying to ourselves as to what we are doing and the consequences it is lying to others for self promotion. There are scriptural instances of lying where the midwives told Pharoah that the babies he wanted to kill were born before they could get to them. ( Exodus 1:19). There are other cases where for instance the full census wasn't given of the Israelites (Levites excluded) because the evil was sensed in King David's request that Satan himself had supplanted his heart to perform. I won't quibble here on that but certainly when we find a lie as the only way to preserve a life it is different than when it is merely self promoting.
In concealing a matter; as a case study we aren't helping ourselves ( Prov. 28:13). Hiding our sins is only going to be destructive. We will in time be found out. Lying of course can attempt to distract from any sort of transgression so again it seems that it may be most dangerous and deliberately at the end of sins leading to damnation. We need to heed carefully David's reaction when Nathan said "YOU ARE THE MAN" (2 Samuel 12:7). Saul wasn't ever able to repent; even though he said that he sinned (1 Samuel 15:24). This is like Pharaoh in Exodus 9:27 or Judas in Matthew 27:4. Worldly sorrow.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
These verses at first glance seem to contradict the idea of the Grace of God. A basic argument that holds some water here is that the Spirit of God didn't work at it does today ( John 16:8) with a permanent indwelling as this and other verses promise.
We could also look at such instances as King Hezekiah in 2 Kings 20:6 who apparently had a righteous life and God heard his prayer to continue 15 more years. One good study is with Saul's foolishness which ended with an early death after he saught wisdom from the witch of Endor in 1 Samuel 28. We see other wicked kings as well have a shortened life; perhaps also Solomon. Of course we all die physically; and some would argue the soul dies also only the spirit goes on to eternity. I would add the solution is in verse 31 of Ezekiel 18 which mentions getting a new heart and spirit. This only comes through the Lord ( Ezekiel 36:26-27). Without this we can superficially ask forgiveness every time an outward sin is found; but this doesn't make us able to do good because of man's sin nature; and ignores sins of omission as well as one's we aren't aware of. It also shows how we shouldn't boast how long we haven't sinned as some foolishly proclaim; ignoring warnings in 1 John about the fact that we are a liar if we claim we have no sin. God's children are corrected even through their sin in the sanctification process.
Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.
If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.
John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.
Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12Jeremiah 23:5-6 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Psalm 110:4Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.
In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.
The Pharisees of old made a show of asking 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' But they shall not do what is required of them. Wisdom was too high for them since their carnal nature came in between. Activism prosperity theology,- love of money and praise of men leave no room for humility and obedience which persist even in our times. Why would they seek wisdom it they were to turn out in the end like reprobate silver?
Satan knows the word of God but without understanding the key to it,- the everlasting covenant and the aspect of Salvation all his wisdom is to no purpose. As James would put it "but is earthly, sensual, devilish./ For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work"(Jas.3:16-17). Satan resisted what the Lord had willed. Joshua was a double for the Son. "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him./ And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee" (See under A-Accuser)
"Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?"(Pr.17:16)
God searches the hearts and knows what are their motives. So when one seeks wisdom, to what purpose is the first question? If he is uncertain and if he asks in earnest God shall establish it for him. "Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established.(16:3)" Secondly a man may draw his conclusions which are not guarantee that it shall succeed. A fool is the one who may ask but nevertheless wants to settle the outcome by himself. Samuel told King Saul how but he did it anyway as he wanted. When he confronted him he admits, "And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice."(1 Sa.15:24).
We need to keep in mind what John said at the end of the Gospels about if everything Christ did was written down all the books in the world couldn't contain it ( John 21:25). There is no reason to believe that more texts or true anecdotes about the Lord are out there and may be found at some point. We see the same principle in the fact that certain things are written in only one Gospel; others in all and most in one or two others. We need to realize that nothing is contradictory unless God changed things Himself (such as going from the old to new covenant eliminating; for instance ceremonial dietary laws). We see full explanations; for instance on divorce in Matthew 5 and 19 which are known as the "exception clause" as opposed to Luke and Mark where this "except for fornication" is not listed as reason for divorce and remarriage being constituted as adultery. Again; when we see apparent contradictions (such as the apparent error in numbers killed in some of the accounts of wars in books such as Chronicles and Kings (and apparently in the census from 2 Samuel as compared to 1 Chronicles) further examination usually clears up details. Again much of this may come from issues of later translations (copies of copies) which continued for several centuries before today's versions.
Also we need to see that even Paul in Mars hill used secular writings to describe the "unknown god" and also Cretian writings later on in Acts that described (in no flattering terms) the manner of behavior known about Cretians to hammer home that their own writings summed up correctly their beastly behavior that needed to be mended among brethren confessing Christ who wished to be in leadership. This confirms the factual content being the inspired Word of God just as the account of Satan and all the sins of the Patriarchs and saints. We wouldn't want to emulate them but it is there as 2 Timothy 3:16 states to instruct us in righteousness and scripture is sufficient.
Hi Momsage :) , may I ask ? Which is your favourite old testament book and why ? It's hard to choose I know , I love Isaiah and Daniel and all the so called minor prophets , Daniel never ceases to amaze me every time I read it and Exodus is awesome . I love all the books that go from Samuel to the end of Solomon's reign and the Psalms are such a comfort and strengthener to me . Which are your favourites and why ?
God's purpose in a chosen generation renders consecration on account of the word. This generation belongs to the generation of Jesus Christ. "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."( John 17:17;1 Co.1:30). It is in his Son we find the fulness of God and not in the Law of Moses. Moses was faithful in all his house which only points to his term of service. Abiding in the Son would mean our sanctification comes from the Son and not from any other.
*Samuel as instructed by God anoints the first time when David was unknown, and least made of even in the eyes of his brethren. But God as the Spirit entrusted Samuel for a specific purpose, which we shall realize only with the third anointing.
Secondly men of Judah anointed him after the death of Saul. This was more of a tactical decision considering that he was their most famous son who brought them prestige in the eyes of Israel. They appropriated him as their own, "And the men of Judah came, and there they anointed David king over the house of Judah. And they told David, saying, That the men of Jabeshgilead were they that buried Saul(2 Sa.5:4)". This anointing was according to the flesh.
Third time is when David became in the eyes of Israel as anointed of God. So the Spirit gives the relationship its universality: body spirit and soul are consecrated. The Spirit sets David in context of the Lord who said unto my Lord, (Ps.110:1-3) David under the Law of Moses represented shadow of things to come when Jesus Christ reigns from Zion.
The term as used in the Law of Moses holds meaning which is in a narrow sense. Priests are consecrated as well as things as different from their common use.
Consecration broadly stated renders anything being made holy. God command Moses to remove his sandals, " And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.(Ex.3:5)" The ground is holy because of the holiness of the Lord God. 'Be ye holy for I am holy"
Similarly when God descended upon Mount Sinai there were limits put for the people from breaking in "The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, 'Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.' (Ex.19:23). The presence of God requires holiness in man, places and things of use, which is in relation the fellowship of God with the Son. 'Be ye holy as I am is what abiding in Christ means so His grace has not been in vain. His Son is the template. 'When David is set as double for the Son God commands Samuel to anoint him which he did three times.
Consecration is much more than this. When God sent forth his word his divine Will, it expressly required fulfillment. We are blessed accordingly. "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."(1 Pe.2:9) God's purpose in a chosen generation renders consecration on account of the word. "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."( John 17:17;1 Co.1:30). It is in his Son we find the fulness of God and not in the Law of Moses. Moses was faithful in all his house which only points to his term of service. Abiding in the Son would mean our sanctification comes from the Son and not from any other.
1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, t
Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
Collisians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days." (This judgment is speaking of situations on the sabbath as when David fed his men shewbread that was only to be eaten by the Jewish Priests on the Sabbath. 1 Samuel 21:1-6, Christ feeding His disciples from the cornfield on a Sabbath. Matthew 1:21 and pulling an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5; if there are things that needed to be done out of necessity on the Sabbath, you should not let men judge you for doing that.)
I don't know how any of the verses I noted can be interpreted as showing that the early church willingly changed it's weekly worship and fellowship from the sabbath to the first day of the week. As I presented, there is historical proof that they didn't. As the "ravening wolves in sheep clothing" ( Matthew 7:15) began to creep into the church, a change was eventually made to abolish the sabbath and worship and refrain form labor on Sunday. Constantine and the Catholic Church mainly changed it and the world followed.
You are absolutely right. No Man can pluck Me out of God's Hand . No King or President, terrorist, theorist, atheist, no army , no foreign threat, no doctrinal beliefs, or even death. But I can walk out of My Salvation. Jesus said Fear not Him which has power over the Body , to actually kill You. But Fear Him, God which has Power over the Body and Soul afterwards. I love that Verse where Christ chose 12 and gave them Power to cast out Devils and to heal sickness except for Judas Iscariot. Oh wait ,, hold on that Verse doesn't exist . And Jesus said Satan can't cast out Satan or His Kingdom is divided. At the Last Supper the Bible says Satan entered into Judas Iscariot. How did the Devil enter into a Place He is already at ? How can I be at Someone's home right now when Im sitting here ? I would have to depart ,, Amen. When Satan entered into Judas Iscariot then The Salvation of God departed . The same way that That the Spirit of The Lord departed from King Saul. A King annointed, chosen, gifted physically, given People anointed by God as support, a Band of Men. Acts 1 :: says Judas Iscariot died and went to His Own Place . At this very moment He is in Hell , weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. King Saul was told by the Demonic Spirit imitating Samuel the Prophet that tomorrow You will be with Me . Be with Me in Hell for Eternity. Neither was Plucked out by any Man. They Played around with God like The Church at Rome in Romans 1 :: . They became Vain, arrogant, proud and unthankful. They took God for granted. And Paul said ( When They Knew God ) . They were SAVED and Blood bought but now They no longer know God. Nobody can be Plucked Out of God's Hand . In Revelations 2 :: Jesus tells the Church at Ephesus and Every Christian Backsliding. Remember You have fallen and go back and redo Thy Works and repent or lose Your Place . Those Works are The Salvation of Jesus Christ. So it's Possible to Walk away from God .
I hope your day has gone well. It is morning here in Washington state.
When I read your post to Chris, I immediately though of Matthew 22:23 where Jesus said, "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
To me, Jesus is saying that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive.
Also, refer to 1 Samuel, 2:6 in the song Hannah sang, "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive; he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up."
Notice the order, first death, then made alive. Of course this happens fully in the resurrection, but in considering what Jesus said that He who believes in me will never die. ( john 11:26)
And, one of my favorite verses: Romans 8:37-39
"Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
This clearly says that death cannot separate us from God.
And Jesus said to His disciples, "Behold, I AM with you always, even to the end of the world." Matthew 28:20
And Paul encourages believers by reminding them that God said, "I will never leave You nor forsake you." Hebrews 13:5, Josh. 1:5
So, to me, always and never mean that we will always be alive, whether in this life now or after we die.
Therefore, I believe that when we die, our body dies, but we are still alive with God. Our bodies will be rejoined to our soul and spirit when we are resurrected and then we will be made complete (whole, perfected) for eternity.
Genesis 12:2-3 is probably closest and the most popular.
Some try to associate these two verses with the Church along with all the promises and blessings prophesied to Israel. and all the cursings to the Nation Israel.
Antisemitism began in the early Church, as soon as Paul brought the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Some saw the Jews as the Christ killers, even though for this cause he come into the world.
ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and God blessed him!
God blesses the Nation Israel because he is faithful and remembers the Abrahamic covenant that is associated with the Davidic covenant.
A chosen people and a land here on earth is tied to those promises.
When we bless Israel we enlists ourselves as one who believes God also.
God brought Israel alive from a valley of dry bones and yet some say God is done with Israel.
Here's just a few of many verses similar to the answer of your question.
Zechariah 2:8-9.
For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 12:1-9.
Zechariah 14:12.
Psalms 122:6.
The Lord also punished Nations that relished when Israel was being punished by God. Obadiah 1:8-14.
Israel exists today because of promise not faithfulness to God.
They being brought back to the land because of prophetic promises not obedience.
Going to the enemies camp! Go get them...Go and do what the LORD has called You to do.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
Conclusion on my reply on the David and Goliath issue in 2 Samuel 21:19: and I quote the text note, "l 19" (referring to the word Jaare-Oregim) "Or son of Jair the weaver." "m 19 Hebrew and Septuagant; 1 Chron. 20:5 son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath."
the footnote: "Elhanan...... killed Goliath. See NIV text note" (above paragraph). "Since it is clear from 1 Sa 17 that David killed Goliath, an earlier copyist probably misread the Hebrew for "Lamhi the brother of" (see 1 Ch 20:5) "as the Bethlehemite" (in Hebrew the word for "killed" stands first in the clause). Jaare Oregim. The Hebrew for "Oregim" also occurs at the end of the verse, where it is translated "weavers." An earlier copyist probably inserted it in the name by mistake, since 1 Ch.20:5 reads "Jair" (apparently correctly) instead of "Jaare-Oregim."
What I'm perceiving is that the KJV writers added "the brother of" because it obviously didn't make sense in the original writings, or those that the KJV copyist/s were translating from, that David AND his brother killed Goliath at different times. Actually, it was the NIV writers who put forth the effort , made evident by the text and footnotes, to clear up the matter. I don't see anything purposely deceptive here that warrants the term "corrupt," in regards to the NIV.
Yet, I could be totally off the mark here, since I'm not, and don't claim to be an authority in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc; nor one who desires to decipher nearly every word or passage, for that matter, from the Bible; not my gift. I do though, genuinely appreciate and am grateful for those who do. I've learned much from you. Sincere thanks, and I encourage you to continue this gift you've been blessed with.
When time allows I'll try to address the issue you brought to attention from Mark.
To clarify something, I have also a King James Bible which I use.
To get the point of answering your questions: My KJV says in 1 Samuel 17:49, "And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth." The word "it" has a different font, meaning, I think, it was added for easier understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The KJV on this site is identical.
The NIV I have says, "As the Philistine moved closer to attack him, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell face down on the ground.
I don't see anything so far that causes any confusion to the meaning as to what occurred here. David slew Goliath.
My KJV in 2 Samuel 21:19 "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaerogim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. The words "the brother of" are also in a different font, as to give indication they were added for clarification. Also the word "was", referring to the spear has a different font.
The KJV on this site is identical.
The NIV says, "In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gitite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.
So yes, there is some confusion here. But the "corrupt" NIV text note and footnote appears to clean it up.
A brother in Christ-Les Brewer-wrote about a*SUPERNATURAL TRANSFORMATION*in friendsofjesus.proboard,quoting 1Samuel 17:45"You come to me with a sword,with a spear,and with a javelin. But I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts,the GOD of the armies of Israel,whom you have defied."
We all,with unveiled face,beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Christ-occupation makes you bold but not superior,humble but not inferior.When our minds are occupied with Jesus,we don't have to try to be humble.In the presence of the Servant-King,our hearts become supernaturally transformed,and we will carry His servant heart.ITOH,when you dwell and spend time with Jesus,all that He is will rub off on you.Your thoughts and your words will be full of the fragrance of His sweet presence and grace.All your inferiority and insecurities will melt away in His marvelous love for you.It takes people who are truly secure in Christ to be able to bow down and serve others with genuine humility".
In my understand,more than ever, GOD's people need to receive and hear messages like the one posted above by our brother in Christ Les Brewer.The Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-warned us saying"This know also,that in the last days perilous times shall come"-2Ti.3:1- ITOH,there will be a battle,a spiritual War-Rev.12 combined with Rev.11:15-18 -,and the red Dragon will manifest himself"having great wrath,because he knows that he has but a short time"- Rev. 12:12.
JESUS left revealed that"Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled"- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2-"the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months",and the red dragon will"give to the Beast of sea-Rev.3:1(ruler/guide of the apostate Church of Rome-RCC,which rides upon the Beast),yeah,will give his Power,and his Seat(in the holy city-Jerusalem),and great Authority-Rev.13:2.
Concluding this first topic on God's attributes related to anger we also see the imprecatory Psalms; that is those Bible scriptures that plead with God for judgment to occur on our enemies. These verses sometimes are general in nature which David would say in his long struggle with Saul and those perusing Him. David is a good example for us of forgiveness in that regard; as Saul was cornered multiple times and because he was still recognized as the anointed king David didn't take the opportunity to slay him. Even at his death he mourned for him as we see in 2 Samuel 1. There was no PERSONAL vendetta here; much as there isn't with Christ who will rule and reign with justice ( Isaiah 11:3-4) but with righteousness; in other words He will work with God's direction and not let external circumstances skew the picture.
When studying God's anger our first reaction is to understand his attitude toward gross external manifestations of sin; which surely is the state of the world today more than ever. As I said in the last post He chastises all those he loves ( Heb. 12:6). God allowed collateral damage both with David's sin with Bathsheeba (2 Samuel 11:3-4) and with the census (2 Samuel 24:12). We find it illogical why many innocent had to die in such instances but David brought wars upon himself and others and many died in the second census incident with its after affects. Therefore it is following God's precepts as to HOW to worship and heeding His warnings against sin that are crucial. Saul began his fall by trying to offer a sacrifice himself in an unauthorized procedure as a king. (1 Samuel 13:8-14). David didn't trust God's strength when he took the census. This was much the reason Solomon fell as well; he hoarded gold and silver and foreign women as wives all which God warned about. (see 1 Kings 1:11; Deut. 17:17). Those who He loves go through the refining fire; let us pass the test so we can rejoice at the Bema Seat (2 Cor510
God's plan for the nations: Belief in the true God; Israel as focus of God's plan
Genesis 14:18-20 state: 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
The details of the aftermath of a battle with a foreign king where Lot was rescued from captivity aren't the focus in this post; but Melchizedek apparently blessed Abraham; but Abraham gave HIM a tithe (one thenth) of what he had. Hebrews mentions Melchizedek as a type of Christ; he was Gentile of unknown ancestry but apparently a great man of God for Abraham to offer him tithes. It shows that true worship of God was indeed with other nations at least with this individual BEFORE the sacrificial system began in Israel.
God Himself says that He chose Israel (see Deut. 7:6-8). These verses explain the covenant promises and that Israel was not some great nation that would be expected to have God's blessings. His purposes are in all things. God called Abraham from the land of Ur of the Chaldees to travel to the area which would eventually be for his descendants as an inheritance in the Promised Land. ( Genesis 12). Genesis 15:10 shows the actual covenant; which occured when Abram (to be called Abraham afterwards) was in a deep sleep; reminding of us of Adam in a deep sleep. God would be patient with the nations until their iniquity was to the full; then those surrounding nations to Israel's inheritance would be conquered ( Gen. 15:16).
We see how nations would be judged once sin was to the full such as Sodom and Gomorrah; then later Nineveh. The final giant offspring of the Nephilim would be destroyed when Goliath was killed by David (1 Samuel 17:50). The flood would destroy many of these offspring; the rest later on ( Gen. 6:4
I thought I would start in the Old Testament; realizing of course that the Holy Spirit didn't remain with a man as it does in the New Testament era. There are; nonetheless principles here that need to be addressed. Perhaps an appropriate start is with the story of Saul and the prophets. 1 Samuel 10:10 states "the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them." A similar event happened in 1 Samuel 19:24. When we see the last state of Saul; who the night before his death consulted with a witch to seek his fate (1 Samuel 28) and other things that happened once he started pursuing David; we see a man who probably died lost.
The principle here is that God COULD allow certain true manifestations in the Spirit to occur with someone (as we see with Judas Iscariot going out and healing/casting out demons along with the other 11 Disciples in Luke 9:1-2.) The manifestation of the Spirit therefore doesn't guarantee FRUIT of the Spirit which is in all those who have true faith (again as illustrated with the Parable of the Sower and the seed in Matthew 13; and as we see listed in Galatians 5:22-23. We see quite the opposite in Saul; we see jealousy; strife; and a murderous intent; and presence of a tormenting spirit or demon.
Suffering for His name's sake and prioritizing the Lord over everyone and everything else was a challenge the Lord used on many would be disciples such as in Luke 9:57-62 with three men in a row who apparently walked away after being challenged.
Jesus chose His 12 Apostles as Disciples carefully; the 11 who truly believed along with the 12th in the Book of Acts chosen would rule and reign with Christ someday ( Matthew 19:28). This would cost them their lives; however as martyrs except for John. A crown is promised for martyrs ( Rev. 2:10). Others are for pastors; those patiently waiting for His coming; evangelists; and apparently for self control. Many variations exist; let the reader study all passages
Vial or phial was a flask traditionally used for anointing kings in Israel. Samuel anointed Saul on command from God; so did Elisha (1 Sa.10:1;2 Ki.9:1). In the Book of the Revelation these phials are given to seven angels and they were to pour out the wrath of God, significance of the number cannot be missed in this verse. "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth." (Re.16:1). Unlike other occasions the command comes from within the temple and we are seeing events accordingly from the Jewish perspective.
The Holy Spirit has God and his Christ in mind and these angels are entrusted with ceremonial cleansing. The earth and the fullness thereof are of the Lord. So this announcement is in order, 'The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."(Re.11:15)
Seven vials refer by the Law of Gradation to indicate the scattering of the enterprises of the godless. Noisome and grievous sores upon which had the mark of the beast (Re.16;2),
The sea as the blood of a dead man (v.3)
The rivers and the fountains of water became like blood(v.4)
The sun to scorch men with fire (v.8)
The fifth angel- upon the seat of the beast 'and his kingdom was full of darkness.'(v.10)
Drying up the great river Euphrates, preparing the way of the kings of the east.
The seventh upon the air. Answer from the throne:"It is done'. (v.17)
The first king of Israel, according to the Hebrew Bible, was Saul. He is traditionally depicted as having ruled in the 11th century BC, around 1020 BC. Saul was anointed as king by the prophet Samuel, and his reign marked the transition from a loose confederation of tribes to a centralized monarchy in ancient Israel. His story is primarily found in the biblical books of 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel.
Saul went out to meet Samuel that he might salute him,and Samuel said to Saul: What has you done? Saul said:Because I saw that the people were SCATTERED FROM ME,and that you came not within the days appointed,and the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmas,therefore said I,the Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal,and I have not made supplication unto the Lord:Then I FORCED myself therefore,and offered a burnt offering(Saul offered holocaust unworthily).And Samuel said to Saul, You has done foolishly:you has not kept the commandment of the Lord thy GOD,which he commanded thee: for now would the Lord have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, but now your kingdom shall not continue:the Lord has sought him a man after his own heart(David),and the Lord has commanded him to be captain over his people, because you has not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.
(Saul was rejected by his disobedience,the same will occur with many Ministers of today that tolerate the prolipheration of apostasies in the churches,among other kinds of sin,even idolatries)
And Samuel arose,and got him up from Gilgal unto Gibeah of Benjamin,Saul numbered the people that were present with him,about six hundred men(it means 600 men out of 2000,many had scattered from Saul).Saul,and Jonathan his son,and the people that were present with them,abode in Gibeah of Benjamin: but the Philistines encamped in Michmas.And the spoilers came out of the camp of the Philistines in three companies.(By the way, now in the END of the times,the ENEMY is encamped in whole earth,John saw three unclean spirits like FROGS(WHY FROGS?) come out of the MOUTH of the DRAGON,and out of the MOUTH of the Beast,and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.They are the spirits of devils,working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,to gather them to the battle of this great Day of GOD Almighty/JESUS, Behold,I COME as a thief-Rev.16:13-15.Take a look
In the Old Testament; there were 2 types of roles for a Prophet. In 1 Chronicles 21:9-13 we have Gad who is David's "seer".
He was given the task of telling David after the Satanically inspired census that there were 3 punishments that would result.
He had no need at that time apparently to mention what the punishment was for as David apparently realized the error of his ways. That is different than Nathan the Prophet at the time he took Bathsheeba as his wife and had Uriah the Hittite set up to die on the front lines in 2 Samuel 11. It would seem that Proverbs 6:34 showed Solomon's wisdom in avoiding showing feigned favor to the husband of a woman someone else is involved with; perhaps it was inspired from what happened in part with David and his mother years previous.
The second role was more of a general statement of future events covered in much of the "major prophets" such as Daniel; Jeremiah; Isaiah and Ezekiel and the minor ones (with smaller overall text) such as Zechariah; Zephaniah; etc.
I am no expert on the office of Prophet today but it seems cessationists may say a Pastor teaching from the Word is also in that type of ministry. I would also say that those who use the Word only as a warning could be in that category. The controversy is if these "signs and wonders" gifts have ceased. I would first eliminate all the pretenders who clearly make things up from their imaginations and false prophets and those who have no factual basis or vary vague statements about persons or events that are very subjective. We are also warned that should someone say something that doesn't come to pass OR that DOES but incites us to worship a false God is to be ignored and kicked out of any church if they try to do this. (See Deut. 18:22 and Deut. 13:2).
We must also avoid fear of things to come. Someone telling the truth should offer some hope even in the worst warnings. The biggest red flag is always predicting prosperity.
Definition: Merriam-Webster defines a liar as someone who tells lies. No comment here on how great that definition is..:(
I will state as I have numerous times that no names need to be given here; just a mere mention of politics whether "donkeys or elephants" should suffice. I have said to people on occasion that a liar is worse than a murderer. The Apostle Paul is my "exhibit A" in that he at least was complicit in murder but did it in ignorance ( 1 Timothy 1:13). What we can't say is that he ever lied about his intentions; everyone knew his impassioned motives in the persecution. Lying is probably the most common methodology for maintaining a lifestyle of sin; if not lying to ourselves as to what we are doing and the consequences it is lying to others for self promotion. There are scriptural instances of lying where the midwives told Pharoah that the babies he wanted to kill were born before they could get to them. ( Exodus 1:19). There are other cases where for instance the full census wasn't given of the Israelites (Levites excluded) because the evil was sensed in King David's request that Satan himself had supplanted his heart to perform. I won't quibble here on that but certainly when we find a lie as the only way to preserve a life it is different than when it is merely self promoting.
In concealing a matter; as a case study we aren't helping ourselves ( Prov. 28:13). Hiding our sins is only going to be destructive. We will in time be found out. Lying of course can attempt to distract from any sort of transgression so again it seems that it may be most dangerous and deliberately at the end of sins leading to damnation. We need to heed carefully David's reaction when Nathan said "YOU ARE THE MAN" (2 Samuel 12:7). Saul wasn't ever able to repent; even though he said that he sinned (1 Samuel 15:24). This is like Pharaoh in Exodus 9:27 or Judas in Matthew 27:4. Worldly sorrow.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
These verses at first glance seem to contradict the idea of the Grace of God. A basic argument that holds some water here is that the Spirit of God didn't work at it does today ( John 16:8) with a permanent indwelling as this and other verses promise.
We could also look at such instances as King Hezekiah in 2 Kings 20:6 who apparently had a righteous life and God heard his prayer to continue 15 more years. One good study is with Saul's foolishness which ended with an early death after he saught wisdom from the witch of Endor in 1 Samuel 28. We see other wicked kings as well have a shortened life; perhaps also Solomon. Of course we all die physically; and some would argue the soul dies also only the spirit goes on to eternity. I would add the solution is in verse 31 of Ezekiel 18 which mentions getting a new heart and spirit. This only comes through the Lord ( Ezekiel 36:26-27). Without this we can superficially ask forgiveness every time an outward sin is found; but this doesn't make us able to do good because of man's sin nature; and ignores sins of omission as well as one's we aren't aware of. It also shows how we shouldn't boast how long we haven't sinned as some foolishly proclaim; ignoring warnings in 1 John about the fact that we are a liar if we claim we have no sin. God's children are corrected even through their sin in the sanctification process.
Part one.
Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.
If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.
John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.
Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12 Jeremiah 23:5-6 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Psalm 110:4 Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.
In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.
See part 2.
The Pharisees of old made a show of asking 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' But they shall not do what is required of them. Wisdom was too high for them since their carnal nature came in between. Activism prosperity theology,- love of money and praise of men leave no room for humility and obedience which persist even in our times. Why would they seek wisdom it they were to turn out in the end like reprobate silver?
Satan knows the word of God but without understanding the key to it,- the everlasting covenant and the aspect of Salvation all his wisdom is to no purpose. As James would put it "but is earthly, sensual, devilish./ For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work"(Jas.3:16-17). Satan resisted what the Lord had willed. Joshua was a double for the Son. "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him./ And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee" (See under A-Accuser)
"Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?"(Pr.17:16)
God searches the hearts and knows what are their motives. So when one seeks wisdom, to what purpose is the first question? If he is uncertain and if he asks in earnest God shall establish it for him. "Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established.(16:3)" Secondly a man may draw his conclusions which are not guarantee that it shall succeed. A fool is the one who may ask but nevertheless wants to settle the outcome by himself. Samuel told King Saul how but he did it anyway as he wanted. When he confronted him he admits, "And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice."(1 Sa.15:24).
We need to keep in mind what John said at the end of the Gospels about if everything Christ did was written down all the books in the world couldn't contain it ( John 21:25). There is no reason to believe that more texts or true anecdotes about the Lord are out there and may be found at some point. We see the same principle in the fact that certain things are written in only one Gospel; others in all and most in one or two others. We need to realize that nothing is contradictory unless God changed things Himself (such as going from the old to new covenant eliminating; for instance ceremonial dietary laws). We see full explanations; for instance on divorce in Matthew 5 and 19 which are known as the "exception clause" as opposed to Luke and Mark where this "except for fornication" is not listed as reason for divorce and remarriage being constituted as adultery. Again; when we see apparent contradictions (such as the apparent error in numbers killed in some of the accounts of wars in books such as Chronicles and Kings (and apparently in the census from 2 Samuel as compared to 1 Chronicles) further examination usually clears up details. Again much of this may come from issues of later translations (copies of copies) which continued for several centuries before today's versions.
Also we need to see that even Paul in Mars hill used secular writings to describe the "unknown god" and also Cretian writings later on in Acts that described (in no flattering terms) the manner of behavior known about Cretians to hammer home that their own writings summed up correctly their beastly behavior that needed to be mended among brethren confessing Christ who wished to be in leadership. This confirms the factual content being the inspired Word of God just as the account of Satan and all the sins of the Patriarchs and saints. We wouldn't want to emulate them but it is there as 2 Timothy 3:16 states to instruct us in righteousness and scripture is sufficient.
God's purpose in a chosen generation renders consecration on account of the word. This generation belongs to the generation of Jesus Christ. "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."( John 17:17;1 Co.1:30). It is in his Son we find the fulness of God and not in the Law of Moses. Moses was faithful in all his house which only points to his term of service. Abiding in the Son would mean our sanctification comes from the Son and not from any other.
*Samuel as instructed by God anoints the first time when David was unknown, and least made of even in the eyes of his brethren. But God as the Spirit entrusted Samuel for a specific purpose, which we shall realize only with the third anointing.
Secondly men of Judah anointed him after the death of Saul. This was more of a tactical decision considering that he was their most famous son who brought them prestige in the eyes of Israel. They appropriated him as their own, "And the men of Judah came, and there they anointed David king over the house of Judah. And they told David, saying, That the men of Jabeshgilead were they that buried Saul(2 Sa.5:4)". This anointing was according to the flesh.
Third time is when David became in the eyes of Israel as anointed of God. So the Spirit gives the relationship its universality: body spirit and soul are consecrated. The Spirit sets David in context of the Lord who said unto my Lord, (Ps.110:1-3) David under the Law of Moses represented shadow of things to come when Jesus Christ reigns from Zion.
The term as used in the Law of Moses holds meaning which is in a narrow sense. Priests are consecrated as well as things as different from their common use.
Consecration broadly stated renders anything being made holy. God command Moses to remove his sandals, " And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.(Ex.3:5)" The ground is holy because of the holiness of the Lord God. 'Be ye holy for I am holy"
Similarly when God descended upon Mount Sinai there were limits put for the people from breaking in "The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, 'Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.' (Ex.19:23). The presence of God requires holiness in man, places and things of use, which is in relation the fellowship of God with the Son. 'Be ye holy as I am is what abiding in Christ means so His grace has not been in vain. His Son is the template. 'When David is set as double for the Son God commands Samuel to anoint him which he did three times.
Consecration is much more than this. When God sent forth his word his divine Will, it expressly required fulfillment. We are blessed accordingly. "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."(1 Pe.2:9) God's purpose in a chosen generation renders consecration on account of the word. "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."( John 17:17;1 Co.1:30). It is in his Son we find the fulness of God and not in the Law of Moses. Moses was faithful in all his house which only points to his term of service. Abiding in the Son would mean our sanctification comes from the Son and not from any other.
1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, t
Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
Collisians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days." (This judgment is speaking of situations on the sabbath as when David fed his men shewbread that was only to be eaten by the Jewish Priests on the Sabbath. 1 Samuel 21:1-6, Christ feeding His disciples from the cornfield on a Sabbath. Matthew 1:21 and pulling an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5; if there are things that needed to be done out of necessity on the Sabbath, you should not let men judge you for doing that.)
I don't know how any of the verses I noted can be interpreted as showing that the early church willingly changed it's weekly worship and fellowship from the sabbath to the first day of the week. As I presented, there is historical proof that they didn't. As the "ravening wolves in sheep clothing" ( Matthew 7:15) began to creep into the church, a change was eventually made to abolish the sabbath and worship and refrain form labor on Sunday. Constantine and the Catholic Church mainly changed it and the world followed.
God Bless :)
Reverend Michael Ray Dorsey
The earth is not moving through space, says the Bible. It is sitting on pillars, says the Bible.
I hope your day has gone well. It is morning here in Washington state.
When I read your post to Chris, I immediately though of Matthew 22:23 where Jesus said, "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
To me, Jesus is saying that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive.
Also, refer to 1 Samuel, 2:6 in the song Hannah sang, "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive; he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up."
Notice the order, first death, then made alive. Of course this happens fully in the resurrection, but in considering what Jesus said that He who believes in me will never die. ( john 11:26)
And, one of my favorite verses: Romans 8:37-39
"Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
This clearly says that death cannot separate us from God.
And Jesus said to His disciples, "Behold, I AM with you always, even to the end of the world." Matthew 28:20
And Paul encourages believers by reminding them that God said, "I will never leave You nor forsake you." Hebrews 13:5, Josh. 1:5
So, to me, always and never mean that we will always be alive, whether in this life now or after we die.
Therefore, I believe that when we die, our body dies, but we are still alive with God. Our bodies will be rejoined to our soul and spirit when we are resurrected and then we will be made complete (whole, perfected) for eternity.
Genesis 12:2-3 is probably closest and the most popular.
Some try to associate these two verses with the Church along with all the promises and blessings prophesied to Israel. and all the cursings to the Nation Israel.
Antisemitism began in the early Church, as soon as Paul brought the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Some saw the Jews as the Christ killers, even though for this cause he come into the world.
ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and God blessed him!
God blesses the Nation Israel because he is faithful and remembers the Abrahamic covenant that is associated with the Davidic covenant.
A chosen people and a land here on earth is tied to those promises.
When we bless Israel we enlists ourselves as one who believes God also.
God brought Israel alive from a valley of dry bones and yet some say God is done with Israel.
Here's just a few of many verses similar to the answer of your question.
Zechariah 2:8-9.
For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 12:1-9.
Zechariah 14:12.
Psalms 122:6.
The Lord also punished Nations that relished when Israel was being punished by God. Obadiah 1:8-14.
Israel exists today because of promise not faithfulness to God.
They being brought back to the land because of prophetic promises not obedience.
2 Samuel 7:23-24.
God bless.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
Conclusion on my reply on the David and Goliath issue in 2 Samuel 21:19: and I quote the text note, "l 19" (referring to the word Jaare-Oregim) "Or son of Jair the weaver." "m 19 Hebrew and Septuagant; 1 Chron. 20:5 son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath."
the footnote: "Elhanan...... killed Goliath. See NIV text note" (above paragraph). "Since it is clear from 1 Sa 17 that David killed Goliath, an earlier copyist probably misread the Hebrew for "Lamhi the brother of" (see 1 Ch 20:5) "as the Bethlehemite" (in Hebrew the word for "killed" stands first in the clause). Jaare Oregim. The Hebrew for "Oregim" also occurs at the end of the verse, where it is translated "weavers." An earlier copyist probably inserted it in the name by mistake, since 1 Ch.20:5 reads "Jair" (apparently correctly) instead of "Jaare-Oregim."
What I'm perceiving is that the KJV writers added "the brother of" because it obviously didn't make sense in the original writings, or those that the KJV copyist/s were translating from, that David AND his brother killed Goliath at different times. Actually, it was the NIV writers who put forth the effort , made evident by the text and footnotes, to clear up the matter. I don't see anything purposely deceptive here that warrants the term "corrupt," in regards to the NIV.
Yet, I could be totally off the mark here, since I'm not, and don't claim to be an authority in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc; nor one who desires to decipher nearly every word or passage, for that matter, from the Bible; not my gift. I do though, genuinely appreciate and am grateful for those who do. I've learned much from you. Sincere thanks, and I encourage you to continue this gift you've been blessed with.
When time allows I'll try to address the issue you brought to attention from Mark.
Peace
To clarify something, I have also a King James Bible which I use.
To get the point of answering your questions: My KJV says in 1 Samuel 17:49, "And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth." The word "it" has a different font, meaning, I think, it was added for easier understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The KJV on this site is identical.
The NIV I have says, "As the Philistine moved closer to attack him, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell face down on the ground.
I don't see anything so far that causes any confusion to the meaning as to what occurred here. David slew Goliath.
My KJV in 2 Samuel 21:19 "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaerogim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. The words "the brother of" are also in a different font, as to give indication they were added for clarification. Also the word "was", referring to the spear has a different font.
The KJV on this site is identical.
The NIV says, "In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gitite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.
So yes, there is some confusion here. But the "corrupt" NIV text note and footnote appears to clean it up.
I'll send it on another page.
Peace
I have never seen a modern version that says "yet". Try "Bible Hub" to see the differences in all Bibles.
I honestly don't think a "footnote" in a corrupt bible is going to be your best option for the Truth.
If God preserved His Inspired Words in the KJB, and He did.
That means all modern version bibles are corrupt, (they are not sound doctrine) as in ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)
I am just a little curious One eighty if you don't mind answering a couple of questions about your Niv bible,
1st. In your Niv bible (who killed Goliath) in (2 Samuel 21:19)?
2nd. Was the (scripture fulfilled) in ( Mark 15:28) in your Niv bible?
Thank you One eighty.
Blessings to you.
[Comment Removed]
We all,with unveiled face,beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Christ-occupation makes you bold but not superior,humble but not inferior.When our minds are occupied with Jesus,we don't have to try to be humble.In the presence of the Servant-King,our hearts become supernaturally transformed,and we will carry His servant heart.ITOH,when you dwell and spend time with Jesus,all that He is will rub off on you.Your thoughts and your words will be full of the fragrance of His sweet presence and grace.All your inferiority and insecurities will melt away in His marvelous love for you.It takes people who are truly secure in Christ to be able to bow down and serve others with genuine humility".
In my understand,more than ever, GOD's people need to receive and hear messages like the one posted above by our brother in Christ Les Brewer.The Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-warned us saying"This know also,that in the last days perilous times shall come"-2Ti.3:1- ITOH,there will be a battle,a spiritual War-Rev.12 combined with Rev.11:15-18 -,and the red Dragon will manifest himself"having great wrath,because he knows that he has but a short time"- Rev. 12:12.
JESUS left revealed that"Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled"- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2-"the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months",and the red dragon will"give to the Beast of sea-Rev.3:1(ruler/guide of the apostate Church of Rome-RCC,which rides upon the Beast),yeah,will give his Power,and his Seat(in the holy city-Jerusalem),and great Authority-Rev.13:2.
Concluding this first topic on God's attributes related to anger we also see the imprecatory Psalms; that is those Bible scriptures that plead with God for judgment to occur on our enemies. These verses sometimes are general in nature which David would say in his long struggle with Saul and those perusing Him. David is a good example for us of forgiveness in that regard; as Saul was cornered multiple times and because he was still recognized as the anointed king David didn't take the opportunity to slay him. Even at his death he mourned for him as we see in 2 Samuel 1. There was no PERSONAL vendetta here; much as there isn't with Christ who will rule and reign with justice ( Isaiah 11:3-4) but with righteousness; in other words He will work with God's direction and not let external circumstances skew the picture.
When studying God's anger our first reaction is to understand his attitude toward gross external manifestations of sin; which surely is the state of the world today more than ever. As I said in the last post He chastises all those he loves ( Heb. 12:6). God allowed collateral damage both with David's sin with Bathsheeba (2 Samuel 11:3-4) and with the census (2 Samuel 24:12). We find it illogical why many innocent had to die in such instances but David brought wars upon himself and others and many died in the second census incident with its after affects. Therefore it is following God's precepts as to HOW to worship and heeding His warnings against sin that are crucial. Saul began his fall by trying to offer a sacrifice himself in an unauthorized procedure as a king. (1 Samuel 13:8-14). David didn't trust God's strength when he took the census. This was much the reason Solomon fell as well; he hoarded gold and silver and foreign women as wives all which God warned about. (see 1 Kings 1:11; Deut. 17:17). Those who He loves go through the refining fire; let us pass the test so we can rejoice at the Bema Seat (2 Cor510
Good questions.
Does God tell us not to do something, then turn around and CAUSE US to do it.
YES!
God told the children NOT TO marry outside their tribe.
Samson was told by his mother and father that GOD SAID NOT TO marry a Philistine.
Judges 14:4 But his father and mother KNEW NOT it was of the LORD that he (God) sought an occasion AGAINST the Philistines.
God told David NOT TO number ISRAEL:
2 Samuel 24:1 ...and God MOVED David to go and number Israel.
God Bless YOU!
Genesis 14:18-20 state: 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
The details of the aftermath of a battle with a foreign king where Lot was rescued from captivity aren't the focus in this post; but Melchizedek apparently blessed Abraham; but Abraham gave HIM a tithe (one thenth) of what he had. Hebrews mentions Melchizedek as a type of Christ; he was Gentile of unknown ancestry but apparently a great man of God for Abraham to offer him tithes. It shows that true worship of God was indeed with other nations at least with this individual BEFORE the sacrificial system began in Israel.
God Himself says that He chose Israel (see Deut. 7:6-8). These verses explain the covenant promises and that Israel was not some great nation that would be expected to have God's blessings. His purposes are in all things. God called Abraham from the land of Ur of the Chaldees to travel to the area which would eventually be for his descendants as an inheritance in the Promised Land. ( Genesis 12). Genesis 15:10 shows the actual covenant; which occured when Abram (to be called Abraham afterwards) was in a deep sleep; reminding of us of Adam in a deep sleep. God would be patient with the nations until their iniquity was to the full; then those surrounding nations to Israel's inheritance would be conquered ( Gen. 15:16).
We see how nations would be judged once sin was to the full such as Sodom and Gomorrah; then later Nineveh. The final giant offspring of the Nephilim would be destroyed when Goliath was killed by David (1 Samuel 17:50). The flood would destroy many of these offspring; the rest later on ( Gen. 6:4
I thought I would start in the Old Testament; realizing of course that the Holy Spirit didn't remain with a man as it does in the New Testament era. There are; nonetheless principles here that need to be addressed. Perhaps an appropriate start is with the story of Saul and the prophets. 1 Samuel 10:10 states "the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them." A similar event happened in 1 Samuel 19:24. When we see the last state of Saul; who the night before his death consulted with a witch to seek his fate (1 Samuel 28) and other things that happened once he started pursuing David; we see a man who probably died lost.
The principle here is that God COULD allow certain true manifestations in the Spirit to occur with someone (as we see with Judas Iscariot going out and healing/casting out demons along with the other 11 Disciples in Luke 9:1-2.) The manifestation of the Spirit therefore doesn't guarantee FRUIT of the Spirit which is in all those who have true faith (again as illustrated with the Parable of the Sower and the seed in Matthew 13; and as we see listed in Galatians 5:22-23. We see quite the opposite in Saul; we see jealousy; strife; and a murderous intent; and presence of a tormenting spirit or demon.
Suffering for His name's sake and prioritizing the Lord over everyone and everything else was a challenge the Lord used on many would be disciples such as in Luke 9:57-62 with three men in a row who apparently walked away after being challenged.
Jesus chose His 12 Apostles as Disciples carefully; the 11 who truly believed along with the 12th in the Book of Acts chosen would rule and reign with Christ someday ( Matthew 19:28). This would cost them their lives; however as martyrs except for John. A crown is promised for martyrs ( Rev. 2:10). Others are for pastors; those patiently waiting for His coming; evangelists; and apparently for self control. Many variations exist; let the reader study all passages
Vial or phial was a flask traditionally used for anointing kings in Israel. Samuel anointed Saul on command from God; so did Elisha (1 Sa.10:1;2 Ki.9:1). In the Book of the Revelation these phials are given to seven angels and they were to pour out the wrath of God, significance of the number cannot be missed in this verse. "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth." (Re.16:1). Unlike other occasions the command comes from within the temple and we are seeing events accordingly from the Jewish perspective.
The Holy Spirit has God and his Christ in mind and these angels are entrusted with ceremonial cleansing. The earth and the fullness thereof are of the Lord. So this announcement is in order, 'The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."(Re.11:15)
Seven vials refer by the Law of Gradation to indicate the scattering of the enterprises of the godless. Noisome and grievous sores upon which had the mark of the beast (Re.16;2),
The sea as the blood of a dead man (v.3)
The rivers and the fountains of water became like blood(v.4)
The sun to scorch men with fire (v.8)
The fifth angel- upon the seat of the beast 'and his kingdom was full of darkness.'(v.10)
Drying up the great river Euphrates, preparing the way of the kings of the east.
The seventh upon the air. Answer from the throne:"It is done'. (v.17)
[Comment Removed]
Jesus Christ was the first king of Israel; but they rejected him, as has most of his creation to this day.
1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel,when they said, Give us a KING ......
1 Samuel 8:7 ....for they have not rejected thee, but they have REJECTED ME to reign over them .....
God bless you!
Saul went out to meet Samuel that he might salute him,and Samuel said to Saul: What has you done? Saul said:Because I saw that the people were SCATTERED FROM ME,and that you came not within the days appointed,and the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmas,therefore said I,the Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal,and I have not made supplication unto the Lord:Then I FORCED myself therefore,and offered a burnt offering(Saul offered holocaust unworthily).And Samuel said to Saul, You has done foolishly:you has not kept the commandment of the Lord thy GOD,which he commanded thee: for now would the Lord have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, but now your kingdom shall not continue:the Lord has sought him a man after his own heart(David),and the Lord has commanded him to be captain over his people, because you has not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.
(Saul was rejected by his disobedience,the same will occur with many Ministers of today that tolerate the prolipheration of apostasies in the churches,among other kinds of sin,even idolatries)
And Samuel arose,and got him up from Gilgal unto Gibeah of Benjamin,Saul numbered the people that were present with him,about six hundred men(it means 600 men out of 2000,many had scattered from Saul).Saul,and Jonathan his son,and the people that were present with them,abode in Gibeah of Benjamin: but the Philistines encamped in Michmas.And the spoilers came out of the camp of the Philistines in three companies.(By the way, now in the END of the times,the ENEMY is encamped in whole earth,John saw three unclean spirits like FROGS(WHY FROGS?) come out of the MOUTH of the DRAGON,and out of the MOUTH of the Beast,and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.They are the spirits of devils,working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,to gather them to the battle of this great Day of GOD Almighty/JESUS, Behold,I COME as a thief-Rev.16:13-15.Take a look
View All Discussions...
Do you have a Bible comment or question?
Please Sign In or Register to post comments...
Report Comment
Which best represents the problem with the comment?